Kent Boucher (00:00.899) Doug came at a time when we needed him last year. That is right after Doug Duren (00:02.574) I don't mean Augie Dougherty (00:02.808) Started game. Kent Boucher (00:09.262) See that was our second one? Doug Duren (00:12.302) Yeah. Kent Boucher (00:12.664) First time par it was our first time harvesting Augie Dougherty (00:16.726) Silky Wild, right? Doug Duren (00:19.265) yeah. So that was the calling voice in the midst of turmoil. my god, I was calling. I was like, holy shit guys, what are you doing? Augie Dougherty (00:31.896) Ha ha. Kent Boucher (00:32.248) We got now now I know a million different ways to do that, and then I will not do it that way again. Yeah. Augie Dougherty (00:37.422) But we got her done. Lyndsey Braun (00:39.49) Do you your computer over there? Doug Duren (00:41.398) That's the other guy's name. I mean you were gonna come to blows for this. Kent Boucher (00:48.206) Yeah, there was a few times it got kinda tense. Lyndsey Braun (00:50.443) I think I'm over there. Doug Duren (00:51.638) I think August. But I was so impressed that you didn't. You know, it's like That was as shitty as it could have come. What am I doing out here? Kent Boucher (00:56.0) Augie Dougherty (00:58.38) Work just fine. Lyndsey Braun (00:59.317) I think so. Kent Boucher (01:02.491) So remember how hot it was? It was like a hundred degrees. Tractor was on Doug Duren (01:08.846) I've been looking around for Carol to come and pick me up at the golf car. Yeah. You don't need Augie Dougherty (01:11.63) No, no, no. I'm Doug Duren (01:18.91) We do I guess and Lyndsey Braun (01:24.886) you're going to see a lot of know you're getting back Kent Boucher (01:29.772) You had you had a list of topics that you texted out. Augie Dougherty (01:33.902) Lindsay and Augie we're over there. That'll be our camera. And Kent and J J. Lyndsey Braun (01:41.894) how is Judd? Judd! he, I enjoyed Judd so much. Augie Dougherty (01:43.512) He's sucker. Augie Dougherty (01:48.18) Few things have made my life better than Judd answering the phone for me. And he loves chatting. Doug Duren (02:02.018) He was great when I talked to him. I was so disappointed I wasn't getting to talk to you. Augie Dougherty (02:03.497) Ha ha ha. No. Lyndsey Braun (02:07.458) Are you locking us in? Augie Dougherty (02:10.306) Come on in! Lyndsey Braun (02:11.894) Mark. hi Mark! Doug Duren (02:16.35) Are you Augie Dougherty (02:18.038) Just don't me. Doug Duren (02:23.66) Well obviously we want to talk about what happened this morning. That it was your first trip to Mexico. Kent Boucher (02:26.647) Yeah. Augie Dougherty (02:30.2) Yeah. Any chance you would give your opinion on data centers? And if you don't have one, that's fine. We don't You're good, dude, we're not started. okay. Doug Duren (02:38.808) Talk about it. Kent Boucher (02:43.074) Duck, is it okay if I borrow a shotgun just to pretend? Doug Duren (02:48.054) You don't need shells. Nope. Good. Yes. Crazy. The last one is probably that 20 gate is probably the best of the or the gate. Or that twelve. Yeah, no, the twelve because it's got a vortex red down on it also. Good, savage. Savage and Kent Boucher (03:04.654) That's a marketing mindset right there. Augie Dougherty (03:11.48) Like anywhere you don't want us. You can go wherever you want. Don't cross the fence. Doug Duren (03:16.076) No on on the farm, no around the neighbors. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You do some nice stuff out behind over here. Kent Boucher (03:19.213) Yeah. Doug Duren (03:26.584) Yeah, there's that river across. Go up through there and it comes out to that big field up there on top. You've been up there? Yeah. Okay. Okay, perfect. Thanks for adjusting too. Kent Boucher (03:28.076) Where's that list you sent out last minute? Augie Dougherty (03:31.839) In our textbook. Lyndsey Braun (03:36.556) Yeah, by the office. Lyndsey Braun (03:44.11) you Doug Duren (03:47.47) That's what we do. Smooth and smooth. Smooth and smooth. Augie Dougherty (03:48.302) Yeah. Kent Boucher (03:51.704) That's what we should do. Make sure everybody yeah. Augie Dougherty (03:56.782) You're so bubbly, Doug. The bubbly guy. Doug Duren (04:03.894) I don't I I listened to your podcast where you had the guy on who was talking about Lyndsey Braun (04:04.93) you Kent Boucher (04:10.818) Jonathan Swanson maybe, the water quality guy. Doug Duren (04:13.834) And the possibility that the data centers could actually help with the money. Yeah. I was kinda like, say, what? But then I thought, well the water's so crappy anyway. What the Kent Boucher (04:26.735) When you're at the bottom there's only one minute. Augie Dougherty (04:29.294) Yeah. Doug Duren (04:30.702) Kent Boucher (04:32.994) Have you I would heard of this thing called the the the Clean Water Act? Augie Dougherty (04:37.966) Should they wanna keep doing it this way? But just as a reminder, the last two you said welcome to Listening to Lands conversations about conservation. You can I I just didn't know if you wanted a consistent starting point or if you wanted to just roll a lot of times Kent and I start talking and then just Doug Duren (04:38.734) I don't care if you Doug Duren (04:49.826) You want me to say something else? Kent Boucher (05:01.058) Well, I like it that he does that because it draws the distinction between the Also I think we need to I mean we don't have to do it this episode, but it would be good to have alternative intro for Doug's show, I think. Doug Duren (05:06.731) Yeah. Doug Duren (05:12.379) Whoa. Augie Dougherty (05:17.11) Hm. I do. Doug Duren (05:19.751) Yeah. Hey, music, you need like new music? Yeah. Augie Dougherty (05:20.238) They're on music. Kent Boucher (05:25.324) I mean we're we're trying to w work to do Augie Dougherty (05:25.496) I can whip something up pretty good. Lyndsey Braun (05:30.774) Hey, what about the two of you doing something quickly? Augie Dougherty (05:33.164) I think that we could make something happen, honestly. Sure. Yeah. If we just brainstorm for a while, yeah, it will be fun. That's the best part for playing music. Yeah. I got some ideas. Doug Duren (05:36.493) Yeah. It'd be fun. Doug Duren (05:45.338) Are you talking about today or at a different time? Today. Let's do it. You have a banjo or something with you? So he's got a banjo. Yeah, banjo will travel. Augie Dougherty (05:49.752) Angel. Augie Dougherty (05:53.806) I o banjo or Chainsaw. Well Doug Duren (05:59.598) What are your code of order? Kent Boucher (06:00.589) Yeah. Augie Dougherty (06:01.336) Well grab, how about this? Kent Boucher (06:03.062) Were those Leopold's tools of conservation band? Lyndsey Braun (06:05.218) Yeah, the banjo. Hold it. Doug Duren (06:07.31) Yeah, banjo. Kent Boucher (06:10.958) Mm-hmm. Augie Dougherty (06:11.566) Why don't you grab your banjo, just play a lick or a chorus of something that you think is pretty popular and then we'll just give credit to your band. Okay. And then that way if people hear an intro about you later, they're like, that dude was on the pod. Okay. And then and just give you a little permanent You're talented. We're trying to keep talent on the camera. Doug Duren (06:26.284) You don't even need me. You just impart one of your Augie Dougherty (06:36.312) That is really cool. It like makes me insecure. Yeah. If I say it out loud I feel less insecure, but Lyndsey Braun (06:37.464) Yes. Really? Lyndsey Braun (06:44.108) Why? Is it you were watching him on the train saw just standing there with your- Augie Dougherty (06:47.168) It is so good looking is what it is. I took yeah, we got the car and I was like, kid, that dude is real good looking. Ogy though. Yeah. Doug Duren (06:48.03) Yeah. Kent Boucher (06:55.148) Yeah, Nick's Doug Duren (06:57.93) Were you ever making these gay comments before? Augie Dougherty (07:00.448) Well, Lyndsey Braun (07:02.286) That's alright. Doug Duren (07:05.302) There's two sides in the point. Kent Boucher (07:08.152) You've been to Lynnville, Iowa. Augie Dougherty (07:10.67) I asked Ken I was like I asked Ken once and I was like, Hey, did you think I was gay at first? He's Well when you first meet you Lyndsey Braun (07:21.032) But no Doug Duren (07:21.922) Yeah. Augie Dougherty (07:23.886) I'll send you the clip. Kent Boucher (07:28.152) Does it have to do with smurfs? Augie Dougherty (07:31.95) Well it's super gay. I don't know if that that might show on that camera there. Doug Duren (07:36.162) Doug Duren (07:41.036) I also can you see the camera? 'Cause Mark went through there and kinda bumped it. I mean Augie Dougherty (07:47.15) Let's see Are you can you put your face on that thing and just out and head? Yeah. Perfect. Nice. Mark probably fixed it, honestly. Kent Boucher (07:56.654) I hope we get marked on camera. Doug Duren (08:00.172) You sit down and play it? Kent Boucher (08:03.758) But we'll what we'll pick up best on the mic. Augie Dougherty (08:08.566) I think Lindsay should slightly hold his mic for it. We can set both up. Lyndsey Braun (08:15.284) you Doug Duren (08:27.0) That'll work. Now do you ask should we then say what do you want how you want to do it? Kent Boucher (08:28.674) This is Augie Dougherty (08:34.299) If I just give a lick it'll it'll obviously end and then you say welcome Kent Boucher (08:38.53) To listen to the land, conversations about Augie Dougherty (08:41.622) And then give so water. Doug Duren (08:42.765) What's my home? Lyndsey Braun (08:43.124) What was I saying again? Augie Dougherty (08:45.582) welcome to listening listening to the land. Kent Boucher (08:52.322) Conversations about conservation with Douglas. Doug Duren (08:55.638) And then should I introduce everybody here? Augie Dougherty (08:57.71) Sure. At least introduce the song. Doug Duren (09:00.856) What's the song, Augie? Augie Dougherty (09:02.242) Well that's what I don't really have one right off the bat, but I'm trying to think of one that would be relevant. Kent Boucher (09:09.09) Did you have a wanna a prairie chicken or something at the beginning? Augie Dougherty (09:13.9) I have the one called Prairie Birds on guitar. so then I have Thunder Chicken, which is just like ten years old now, so I gotta be relevant and play something off the new album. Doug Duren (09:26.475) Augie Dougherty (09:38.83) Yeah, yeah, yeah. Lyndsey Braun (09:40.206) That was you just did. Doug Duren (09:46.21) Mark, I know you like the banjo, but you gotta come over here. Lyndsey Braun (09:49.806) you Augie Dougherty (09:58.702) I just did a new album and so I should probably play something with that. Doug Duren (10:02.168) So how is now it's the marketing thing. It's no longer just I'll just play a couple of chords. Augie Dougherty (10:06.658) To be a musician, man. Kent Boucher (10:07.726) Yeah. Doug Duren (10:10.478) Yeah. Lyndsey Braun (10:11.04) You want me to hold this, right? Augie Dougherty (10:12.736) Yeah, yeah, hold wh whenever he's playing. Augie Dougherty (10:19.032) Pla you played too many? What's it I remember a country artist, I was listening to him on a podcast and he like, I write a song every single day and I come out with an album every year or two. And it's just the best eleven songs out of the I mean, you write the song every day. And I'm like, Man, that's You do it enough, I guess. Yeah, that's How many songs do you have the majority of a song written, but it's never been released? Doug Duren (10:45.454) What you again. Augie Dougherty (10:47.918) Wow. I mean I have just lists and lists of recording. Doug Duren (10:56.586) Okay. Lyndsey Braun (10:58.382) you Augie Dougherty (10:58.764) I believe in you. I'm gonna do I'm gonna do a verse song. Sure. So we'll put it generally. If we do this it should be good. Okay. Doug Duren (11:06.326) You wanna sing it? Well that's what a verse is, right? Doug Duren (11:15.808) Okay. Kent Boucher (11:18.082) Take that off that cord there so it doesn't accidentally Doug Duren (11:22.85) Yeah, banjo is louder than hell. Yeah. Augie Dougherty (11:24.974) I haven't even given you guys a hundred percent yet. Should I just do it right away? Yeah, do it. Or was I w where I'm sorry. No, no, no. You're gonna play. I'm gonna cut in while while you're playing. That's what's gonna be the intro, and then Doug will I'm I'm gonna s like I'll edit every all this out. And then I always promise Ken, I'll edit that out later. No, I'll edit all this out. I'll literally start the podcast with your playing. Okay. And then Doug being like, welcome to Listen to LAN conversations about conservation. Doug Duren (11:39.822) You want to cut in? Augie Dougherty (12:00.11) I'm gonna play a lick, stop, then you're gonna talk. And then I'm gonna play Great. Okay. Doug Duren (12:05.454) Yeah. Kent Boucher (12:07.522) Yep, perfect. Augie Dougherty (12:12.99) Yeah, same there. An oak tree, that's why. Lyndsey Braun (12:17.998) you Augie Dougherty (12:26.862) I got pretty sure. Doug Duren (12:30.402) So he's not gonna cut we're just gonna ignore what Nick wants to do. You're gonna do that, you're gonna cut to me, and then you're gonna go back and I'm gonna say shall I say and that's Auggy Dharty over there. Kent Boucher (12:41.112) Yeah. Augie Dougherty (12:44.607) Okay. Doug Duren (12:51.362) Welcome to Listening to the Land, Conversations about Conversations. let's try it again. Try it again. Well now you'll cut it in. Welcome to Listening to the Land, Conversations about Conservations. That's my friend Augie Dority over there playing that banjo and gracing us with one of his songs. Lyndsey Braun (13:26.136) single master here. Augie Dougherty (13:47.637) Fucked it up. You're doing great? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, cool, thanks. Augie Dougherty (13:56.544) Mm, no. Augie Dougherty (14:11.496) You're good, dude. You know what I'd like to board? I don't think I ever can do it in one try. Alright, cool. Doug Duren (14:17.336) Goshtag. Kent Boucher (14:21.236) You're good, man. No pressure. Augie Dougherty (15:05.722) Well I think that's good for the podcast. Yeah. Doug Duren (15:12.268) Yeah, we'll just move on from there. Well thanks, Augie. we were just talking before we started to record that Augie always has a chainsaw and a banjo with him and we've decided that should be on his coat of arms. Yeah. Augie Dougherty (15:26.67) Two things that make me money. Man. Alright, well quick yeah, dude. Make sure you hold your mics when you're talking into them. But Augie, the what percentage of the time when you're dealing with timber are you wearing a helmet? most of the time these days. Here, brother, just just hold your mic. yeah. Most of the time these days. Today I forgot. And it just happened to be that there's a lot of cameras and people around. So I've been trying Doug Duren (16:02.606) I never forgot any other pieces of safety equipment. Augie Dougherty (16:05.131) I've been trying to focus on safety over the last year or so. Ever since Doug picked me up from the hospital. Doug Duren (16:10.744) Yeah. Kent Boucher (16:11.31) man. Did he did he get another one of those decked first aid kits that you gave to Matt Jeffko? Doug Duren (16:18.638) No. Yeah, but I really need to now when you say that, we're gonna have to make that happen. Yeah. yeah, we had a an we'll just call it an incident here last year with Owen Augie was doing some work on this Savannah Restoration Establishment project that I need to show you guys so we can talk about it. and you know it's funny, I told him I'm not real comfortable with you up there working with a chainsaw by yourself because I do it all the time. Augie Dougherty (16:19.448) No I'd love to. Doug Duren (16:49.558) And I said, well, then do me a favor. You take one of the can ams up there, have that up there with you. Okay. You know, he acquiesced. And first time he came out and worked, I mean, I looked at him, the guy's all decked out. He's got a helmet, he's got glasses, he's got chaps. The only thing he didn't have was the Kevlar vest. And I thought, well, that's this guy's a professional. He's got all the stuff, he's wearing it all the time. And I did happen to not. Kent Boucher (17:11.448) Yeah. Doug Duren (17:17.336) be here the day that he came back or I was here and then you were taken off but you hadn't taken Augie Dougherty (17:22.783) Right, yeah. You were not here during the moment that we're approaching. Doug Duren (17:27.871) So he's up there on the hill and he cuts himself with the chainsaw, wasn't wearing chaps, nicks his knee. Augie Dougherty (17:37.944) Just a little nick. Doug Duren (17:39.672) Little na Yeah, you didn't do like I did. Kent Boucher (17:42.114) How many stitch, Nick? Augie Dougherty (17:43.384) Twelve. Hardly any. Doug Duren (17:46.562) Thankfully the sh saw was sharp so it made a nice little and Augie Dougherty (17:49.23) It was, I just sharpened it. Doug Duren (17:55.19) He had the C and sitting there. He left the chainsaw there, was the chainsaw still running when he Augie Dougherty (18:00.258) Yeah, that was the that's another great part of this story is that 'cause I had it happened. I flew down here in the Can Am. I was about to get in my truck and Doug's buddy Kiefer was here working on a tractor. And so I pulled up I got in my truck and I pulled up to him in the shed and I talked to him for a minute. He's like, How you doing? not so good. Doug Duren (18:21.698) And he pulls out a lucky and is about to start talking to him. Augie Dougherty (18:24.014) So I was like, I think I need you to drive me to the hospital 'cause I just cut my knee open with a chainsaw. So he did. And we became very good friends in that moment. Doug Duren (18:37.858) It w I feel like Kent Boucher (18:40.45) Kiefer had a great line that came out of all of it. Doug Duren (18:42.282) He's he's Kiefer is always around, but he's never quite there. Augie Dougherty (18:48.278) Ha ha ha. Doug Duren (18:50.454) And it's so true. It is so true about him. I'm a little surprised that he hasn't showed up here this afternoon. He always I'm Well he he may be here before you know it. It's funny, it w the times that he shows up is a the time that he shows up is about the time I'm just ready to go home. yeah. Or I just got done with some work. Kent Boucher (18:57.366) Disappointed he's not. Augie Dougherty (19:09.902) you need any help today? I just got done. shoot. Doug Duren (19:15.282) He's one of our sharing land cooperators. he my one of my favorite things about Greg is that he's got a really nice Ford tractor sitting down. seventy seven hundred that he bought. And he it came down to one of two things and it wasn't a banjo or a chainsaw. He's like, you know, I was thinking about buying a camper or a tractor. So he bought a tractor and there's a sticker on the door over there says my other tractor is says my neighbors, it's from Kent Boucher (19:26.978) I saw that. Doug Duren (19:46.526) Tractor supply back crossing out and said my other tractor is kefir's. His trac the tractor that he has now is nicer than any tractor he had when he was farming. Kent Boucher (19:56.406) That is that is that says something about agriculture, I think. It speaks volumes. I saw I saw a I meant to tell you this because I thought you'd get a kick out of it. I saw a post from somebody. They were listing their friend's tractor. He said, Hey everybody, this is my friend's tractor. He's wanting to sell it. He's he's about ready to move from Alabama to Iowa and he's gonna try and sell his tractor. And I said, Man, does that tell us something about Iowa agriculture? I'm selling my tractor and moving to Iowa Augie Dougherty (20:26.254) I were you in shock? Were you just like going numb already? Yeah, there there was a lot going on. I had never injured myself like that before. So it was pretty wild. And halfway I thought I could make it to the hospital. It was fifteen minutes away as Friedberg or so. And halfway there I started my vision started going. Yeah. So I was really happy somebody else was driving. So he dropped me off and he was trying to occupy my mind the whole time. Kent Boucher (20:29.624) Yeah. Doug Duren (20:43.213) Yeah. Augie Dougherty (20:55.126) And he did a great job. He entertained me. Doug Duren (20:56.952) Kiefer and I have been through a few scrapes together. I mean, and some that I will some that one that happened here that I won't go into, but when it happened and the phone is ringing and I finally pick it up and look at it, it's not the voice of the person who I thought it would be. It's Kiefer and he goes, Venus calls me Venus from college, it's a long story. Venus, there's been an accident. everything's all right. We'll be there in a minute. And he pulls in and this guy gets out and there's just blo he's he's bloodied in this whole thing. And it was just one of those moments of yeah, it's like the the calmness. You were talking about me being the calming influence when you guys were there. The Kiefer's always a calming influence. I've only seen the man angry twice in my life and it is not a pretty sight. Kent Boucher (21:48.546) Man, yeah. Augie Dougherty (21:50.222) Did a great job in that moment with me. Doug Duren (21:52.364) My there's another detail that Augie's avoiding right now, but I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you. So he drops him off at the emergency room and a couple of nurses come out to get him and he's got they get him in the chair and the whole thing. And Greg starts announcing that he's single, he's a musician, he's got another job. That's a good catch here, girls. I gotta go, I'll see you later. Augie Dougherty (22:14.702) Yeah, he he sold it pretty good there. Kent Boucher (22:19.785) Keefer is my wingman. That needs to be a new sheriff. Augie Dougherty (22:23.374) My other wingman is Kiefer. Yeah. you go out with any of those people? No, I didn't. I have since gotten a girlfriend and she's a nice lady and she was not anywhere around in that situation. Imagine imagine being a a lovely lady and a guy, you meet a guy, he fluently plays banjo and has a job. I mean that's really incredible. That's true, not coming to be a musician and have a job. Yeah, yep. Doug Duren (22:48.258) That's crazy. Augie Dougherty (22:50.486) But but really in that moment they just saw a dumbass with a chainsaw hole in his leg. Doug Duren (22:57.458) This is something that Augie and I have in common because I had an incident where I wasn't wearing chaps and I was completely unprepared and I had to walk down off a big steep hillside down to the buggy that was at the bottom of the hill. thankfully there were two other people with me, one who reacted very quickly, like, looks like you're gonna be all right. We better get out and out of here. And the other one looked at it and went and very similar situation where we Dri I drive the buggy up into the trailer. We hook it up. I put it and I I start c climbing into the driver's seat and Nathan looks at me and goes, It's all the same to you, dog. I'd like to drive Augie Dougherty (23:38.222) We're kind of working backwards on the story right now, but really one of my favorite parts about it is that when it happened, I was I was cutting an old birch tree out of the way to get to this elm tree and it was it was a snag. And so a rotten birch tree that's standing is just nothing. There's almost no material there. So my saw just went and I had been cutting for three days straight. Sorry. I've been cutting for three days straight. So it just went right through and I was really fatigued and Kent Boucher (24:07.192) A hot knife through butter. Augie Dougherty (24:08.928) And I thought that it was just like the weight of the saw hitting me and then but I saw that there was a big tear in my pants. So I kinda hobbled away from the situation and you know, I was cursing. Yeah. And looked down and I I moved the hole in my pants around a little bit and I couldn't see any blood or anything, so I like, I think I'm okay. I think it's fine. But then I tr took one more step and I was like, That's not what Doug Duren (24:34.488) Realize that I'm maybe not all right. Augie Dougherty (24:37.132) So then I took a couple more steps up towards his can Am, which was probably seventy yards away. I lifted my pants up enough to see the my kneecam. And then then I Doug Duren (24:49.882) We're to. Augie Dougherty (24:51.31) But here's the thing too is like I I was trying to collect myself and I was looking around making sure to just like okay, let's take a breath here, think about what needs to happen. And I looked and I I turned the four wheeler on to leave the can am on. Then I turned it off to have this moment of like, okay, what needs to happen? And in that moment I realized my chainsaw is still running down there, down the hill, which I'm definitely not going to. And over here is a stump that's on fire somehow that I had cut down like a couple hours before that. So in that was the first time I realized that this stump is just on fire. The key the chainsaw I was it was a hot day. It was a birch stump, yeah, and and it just you get that exhaust right up next to It does happen occasionally. Lyndsey Braun (25:28.013) my gosh. Kent Boucher (25:29.591) How did that catch on fire? Doug Duren (25:34.836) It was and it was a birch dump all. Doug Duren (25:41.526) Obviously it happens at least once. Augie Dougherty (25:43.77) So So I get down here and get in the truck, keeper starts driving me and I was like, here I gotta call Doug and tell him what just happened And he was really calm and awesome about the whole thing and I was like, Chainsaw's running, there's a stump on fire, you gotta go there right now and check on those things. And he said he got there and Doug Duren (26:01.056) And so there's even further back, another story about a chainsaw. You I don't know if I ever told you a story about my dad cutting his chest up. So you never know when you're gonna leave in a hurry. The only thing I saw is a flaw in his whole thing is that he had the can Am up there, but he didn't have it pointing out. He did have to turn it around. Turn point flesh wound. It wasn't like he was, you know, brushing blood or anything. Kent Boucher (26:09.155) That's probably back in Kent Boucher (26:19.488) so you had a you had a turn Augie Dougherty (26:26.126) It was no blood. It was crazy. Kent Boucher (26:27.766) Really? Doug Duren (26:28.522) Same mostly for me when I c but I didn't cut my knee, I cut above the knee. Anyway, my dad had a chainsaw kickback, an old home light chainsaw that hasn't had a chain brake on him or anything, right? Hits him in the chest and drives himself into town. His life is saved. He then they med platted him from the same from the same hospital emergency room to Madison where he got sewed up. And my brother drove out here to check on the farm. And he gets up here and he hears bum bum bum bum And that chainsaw is idling down there in the hell. So it's like we've got chainsaw goes to Yeah. Kent Boucher (27:07.48) Yeah, no kidding. Augie Dougherty (27:08.514) So yeah, twice you show up to the scene of the crime with a chainsaw. So man, that stuff freaks out. Okay, okay. Wha how often is a helmet useful when you're working with trees? I would say the situation you saw today would be a prime example of where you should use a helmet. okay where I was not wearing a helmet. But like well I wasn't gonna say. Kent Boucher (27:33.152) Yeah, that's stressful when everyone's watching you. Let's see this expert do his trade right now. Yeah, the trade. Doug Duren (27:37.494) But he wants to make sure that it's sharing Lat hat Augie Dougherty (27:42.254) So that would be a great time to wear especially because th what I did today was cut down a dead ash tree and that is just to fall. Kent Boucher (27:50.37) Full of him could just go at any time. Augie Dougherty (27:53.922) There's yeah. Well it's interesting 'cause it's like a stick that's like a couple pounds. It's not that big of a deal, but if it falls yeah from seventy feet up, it's like a big old deal. I don't know. Ken and I we roast people for wearing helmets when they're burning prairie, just grass. Kent Boucher (28:09.494) I get it when they're burning in like a savannah. You see all these pictures of people, you know, they got the yellow shirt on, they got the helmet on, and then I just think of Carol at his black new balances and his regular jeans lighting up a hundred acres by himself. Augie Dougherty (28:22.45) there's a video on the internet of him driving through the fire. You know what gets me when people are at like drive thrus and they've got those big neon vests even though no one everyone's going one mile an hour through the It's just so whatever company doesn't get sued. Safety second is how I've operated for a long time, obviously, is the story. You I'm j I'm coming around. Doug Duren (28:34.188) What? Yeah, yeah. Kent Boucher (28:45.544) It's an important part of of hunting. It's an important part of farming farm work, conservation work. I mean, they are by nature dangerous things. And I think that's why they're one of the reasons why they're enjoyable is it it makes you have to be a awake and paying attention and and you know, being careful, right? They're same reason why we enjoyed climbing trees as little kids and you know, jumping off the garage roof or whatever, there's a little bit of risk there. But I think sometimes you can become complacent and that's when, you know, that's when st stuff happens. Doug Duren (29:24.566) That's what my father would say happens like that. And when he cut his chest open and I w walked in in the hospital room at four o'clock in the morning and my uncle's sitting there doing the crossword puzzle and my dad's over there with tubes and you know monitors and all this stuff and I said and he goes, He's gonna be okay. And I walk over and put my hand on his arm and said, Dad, it's Doug. And his other arm he touched his left arm and his other arm came up and he went, looked at me with tears coming out of his eyes and went. Kent Boucher (29:57.454) Yeah, you knew exactly what Doug Duren (29:58.464) Happened it happened like that. I've had more close calls than not so much hunting, but cut the end off my finger, they sewed it back on. Farm machine, yeah. I got the hem of the pants caught in a PTO shaft because of course we took the Kent Boucher (30:14.828) I don't know that. Doug Duren (30:26.24) Safety that but I probably didn't have safety guards because I was I was sixteen and it was a pair of old army fatigues and went and there was a break in the I was standing there with a pair of pants with with shorts on one side and a long on the other side. Yeah. But it tore the pa the bottom of it right off. I mean they were Augie Dougherty (30:42.07) Wait, what's the mirror's off? Augie Dougherty (30:46.626) That that's gotta say something about your your leg strength. Doug Duren (30:49.176) Wearing w more awful pants. I mean they were it says more way above the outfit. It was they was wearing rag Kent Boucher (30:55.79) Exactly. Augie Dougherty (30:55.918) man. I there there was a horrible accident a few years ago. But but the the point being was the owner of the farm told this I mean true not a kid, he was over eighteen, but a young guy told him over and over again, You will not do this task without someone else around. You will not do it and one day he did and that was the day and he passed away. And it's just like, you know. And and you don't I I I Kent Boucher (31:02.166) I wouldn't get into that one. Augie Dougherty (31:24.788) Kent and I argue about about locking things like our car or our house and and it but the truth is you don't lock your house because someone tries to break in every single day. You lock your house because someone tries to break in once every five years. But in order to protect from that you have to lock it every day and same with safety gear. But Kent Boucher (31:42.766) Yeah. Doug Duren (31:44.426) When my daughter was little and she was learning to ride a bicycle, you know, it was just you had to wear your helmet and had to do all that. But Dad, I'm not gonna fall. And I was Yeah, but if you do, what happens? I could hit my head. Like, so can you put your helmet on in that second from when you're starting to fall over to when you fall over? No, I guess not. Okay, I'll wear a helmet. Yeah. Kent Boucher (32:06.52) Yeah. Augie Dougherty (32:07.062) Interesting. She sounds very logical for a kid. Doug Duren (32:08.93) Well she's she didn't get that from me. anyway, so here we are talking about chainsaw safety and other you know, life and death on the farm accidents. Yeah, that's right. And what we're really here to talk about is conservation and safety is a part of conservation. And we're here to talk about our trip to the Elder Leopold Foundation today. And I wanna welcome my colleague Lindsay Braun, who we're Augie Dougherty (32:12.184) Ha ha Lyndsey Braun (32:37.922) Hello. Doug Duren (32:39.394) been such a is such a big part of sharing the land and is a very accomplished person in in many ways, and particularly recently she is a an accomplished solo turkey hunter. Kent Boucher (32:53.25) Yeah, we gotta hear the turkey story. Augie Dougherty (32:55.905) Is this first ever? Lyndsey Braun (32:57.674) Not when no not well my first ever here on the farm. Okay, so been I think it's is it six years now I have been coming here and I've had a series of unfortunate Misses and mishaps that is I Think at this point just comical like I just laugh like I have I have zero expectations of anything Yeah, I mean not that I ever really did but it was like, okay Six years? Oh no, was pretty sure I am cursed. Well, I was cursed. Doug Duren (33:28.078) Cursed. Doug Duren (33:32.04) But also, because I know you'd be too modest to talk about this, last year you called Turkey in for someone else. Lyndsey Braun (33:39.758) Yes, yeah, a good friend, Chelsea, came, you guys met Chelsea. She was here with me and we were turkey hunting and actually the same spot where I shot my turkey this year, called in a turkey for her and that to me was, I think almost more. as good as it used Yeah, especially with her reaction, it was her first turkey and she was just, she was completely overwhelmed by it, so. Doug Duren (34:04.61) What a nice story. Except for there's another part to that story as well. And that is there were two turkeys and they hadn't discussed here's how we're going to shoot Lyndsey Braun (34:12.706) Well, you know, okay, so to be fair, we're both deer hunters. Like, I am not a seasoned turkey hunter, as you're gonna find out. And you know, in your mind, you kind of think, okay, they need to separate. Well, no, no, we both have tags. What does it matter? And at that point, I'm like, I'm not gonna shoot because she's never got a turkey before. And I had just gotten back from South Carolina and got my first turkey. So I was like, no, she needs to do this. Augie Dougherty (34:20.146) Ha ha. Lyndsey Braun (34:43.014) But I learned that lesson fast. I got scolded a little. Kent Boucher (34:46.38) Well who knows? Maybe maybe the turkey that you passed last year is the one you shot this year. Lyndsey Braun (34:51.183) It very well could be. They both came in the same way. Doug Duren (34:54.7) Yeah. Augie Dougherty (34:55.017) Do you get that? Kent Boucher (34:56.462) He's like, Well, I know a spot. Augie Dougherty (34:59.726) Did you get the what did you guys call it? Gimpy? With Benel Rod? Lyndsey Braun (35:06.414) No, limpy lives, supposedly. Doug Duren (35:08.398) So well we don't know. We saw Olympia we had him on camera about a month ago. Lyndsey Braun (35:12.556) Yeah, about three weeks ago he came up on camera. Doug Duren (35:14.91) And he has not been spotted since on camera or by Lyndsey Braun (35:18.03) I feel like Brock and I might have seen him one day because the way that turkey came across the field was that it took four hours to get across the Augie Dougherty (35:28.47) Mm. Doug Duren (35:29.314) So this bird has a pronounced limp, hence the name. and I think I saw him for the first time. This will be the third season. It was after two seasons ago. And he was a full-grown Tom then, which meant he would have been two years old. And it was after the season, and he walked across the highway here just north of the farm, and he's walking across that field and he's Walking like I do these days. One leg just kind of popping the whole time. And you just notice that it right leg? Yeah, his right leg. And it just never bends. I've seen him more closely now, mm not hunting, and his right leg is bigger around than the other one. Huh. It doesn't have and it just simply doesn't bend. So we saw him last year when Jesse Griffiths and Ben O'Brien was were here and Lyndsey Braun (35:58.51) I'm Lyndsey Braun (36:25.838) you Doug Duren (36:26.668) We were in Can Am taking a little tour, just showing where they could hunt and everything. And there's a bird and they've got a shotgun along. And Jesse goes, I think I could I mean look at him, he's moving very good. I think I could catch him. And Ben's like, yeah, Jesse, but clearly he can fly. So clearly that bird has, you know, he's he's done more flying than than walking. But and then we saw him after the season. We saw him this spring and I saw him about three weeks ago on camera, and he comes into the beautiful Augie Dougherty (36:43.118) Ha ha ha. Doug Duren (36:55.936) Walks into right into the camera in this one spot down here, Kiefer's corner, speaking of Mr. Kiefer, and goes into Strut, takes like three steps. my god, it's Limpy. I'm sending it immediately, sending everybody knows about Limpy, you know. but yeah, he hasn't been seen he may have been heard from since, but he hasn't we haven't seen him since. Augie Dougherty (37:08.488) Kent Boucher (37:23.374) Well I hope he's still out there. So maybe somebody I mean there's gonna be a few people out hunting between this afternoon and tomorrow, right? Maybe somebody will get some Doug Duren (37:32.406) That would be a full circle. Anyway, did we hear the rest of your story? Lyndsey Braun (37:36.326) No. Mother's Day, which I'm going to preface this with Doug came out to Washington, I guess it was shortly before my mom, was the same year my mom passed away. Doug Duren (37:49.622) We were doing an event in Houston, Washington, so I flew in, she picked me up. Lyndsey Braun (37:54.76) And my mom wanted to meet him. So he came and he sat in her living room and she sat down directly across from him. And I don't think she had said too many words before that and just looked at him and go, so can you tell me why my daughter has not shot a Turkey yet? And I mean, she was dead serious. I mean, there was no, yeah. So I thought I was thinking about that on Mother's Day morning and just thinking about my mom and everything. Augie Dougherty (38:08.738) Mm-hmm. Lyndsey Braun (38:20.792) But I'd kind of thought to myself the night before, I'm going to do just the opposite of what everybody has always told me to do. Because it's been like a goal for everybody to get me a turkey. Doug Duren (38:31.914) And everybody has advice when it comes to calling. Don't call too much, don't call too little. Well no decoys. One decoy. A hand and a Jake decoy. Have a fan out there. Yeah. You know, all of these different things. Augie Dougherty (38:46.99) Ha ha! Doug Duren (38:47.714) She makes six decoys. That's Lyndsey Braun (38:50.798) You know what? Doesn't matter, like I have nothing to lose at this point. Doug Duren (38:52.334) What if Augie Dougherty (38:55.586) Goose on her. Lyndsey Braun (39:00.487) I mean, if you would have seen how loaded I had that can am, I was like, Doug's going to go, what is she doing? Doug Duren (39:07.934) But I'm I I've got the camera so I can see what's happening. Lyndsey Braun (39:10.659) Is she packing up and moving up there? Augie Dougherty (39:15.288) the thought process why are we why are we is is six is is that normal six decoys? No. Kent Boucher (39:20.475) Yeah, most people keep it to like mm one, yeah, maybe two. Doug Duren (39:24.019) Yeah. Augie Dougherty (39:26.424) Really? Okay, so it was you you were like, nobody does it this way. I'm gonna be the only person to kill a turkey amongst sixty I'm not the first to kill a turkey, but I will be the first to do it this way. Lyndsey Braun (39:33.134) Full on rebel. Lyndsey Braun (39:41.262) So yeah, I put out six decoys and I mean, I had them spread out so that, you I think I had four on one side and two on the other of kind of how this area is set up. And I got into the blind at five o'clock. got in there and heard some gobbling and like, oh, this is, know, finally hearing some gobbling is always gets you a little excited in the morning, right? Keeps you there. And then it shuts up and I'm like, well, I've done everything opposite. I'm just going to call every five minutes, which is not what everybody tells you to do. At the most. Yeah, I didn't I must have sounded like I don't even know what I sounded like and I didn't hear anything but I'm like I'm just practicing why not you know I've got I've got a flock Let's see what happens Lyndsey Braun (40:38.29) I used Dylan's, the one that Dylan gave me that he signed for me, kind of cursing at me a little bit. And then I think it was probably about two hours later, I heard some gobbling and it wasn't like the echo-y kind of, and I'm like, and it was kind of to the right of me. So I kind of set up to the right and I'm like getting ready and I'm looking and in our group text, Doug's like texting all of us and I'm not answering and apparently everybody was a little offended. Yeah, he was a little irritated. Doug Duren (41:18.068) Answer my text, I get a little irritated. So on the camera, I see a picture of a Tom, and it's down in the navel, we call it, and it's 450 yards from her. You know, I'm trying to give her a little hope, a little ray of hope. And here's this picture of this Tom, and I request the video right away to see if there's a video, and then 10 minutes later, there's another one. And so I'm like, There's two, and I send her the pictures. There's two, and no answer. And and then I request the video for that, and then couple minutes after that you said, well that must be the ones that I'm hearing over that direction. Yeah. And that's it. And then she goes silent again. Which you should do. turns out there were three when the videos came and they were all turning the corner and running right up that hill. Kent Boucher (41:59.639) Yeah. Augie Dougherty (42:06.466) Huh. So your call every five minutes wrong. Lyndsey Braun (42:09.07) Everything was like, what is happening over there? There was a, I had a party guy. Yeah, I had quite the party going on, but I had kind of seen out of the corner of my eye a hen in that general direction. And I'm like, they're going to get hung up on that hen. And that's going to be the end of it. Augie Dougherty (42:11.981) There was a party. Augie Dougherty (42:26.059) Always what happens. Lyndsey Braun (42:27.754) It, it, this season, that's pretty much all that's happened. The hens. Doug Duren (42:33.622) Yeah I don't get that excited when a hand comes into the D Lyndsey Braun (42:35.566) No, no. And I'm like, oh, kind of. mean, I don't say I lost hope, but you know, it's like, OK, par for the course. This is fun. And out of the corner of my eye, coming up this, I guess, kind of the ridge line, there's a set of trees. Fence line. Well, probably line between the two. Yeah. how about the laser pointer? can't. Yeah. Kent Boucher (42:37.176) Heh. Augie Dougherty (42:58.862) Laser pointer. Lyndsey Braun (43:04.078) And how it's kind of set up, you can't see down in this little valley at all. And I see this Tom coming in. It wasn't walking. It was on a full on run. I mean, it was on fire. Like, what is happening? And I didn't even have time to like think really. I'm just kind of like turn. Didn't. You know, I was like, this is this might actually happen. Yeah. Long as I don't miss. and comes in, starts beating the crap out of this Jake. And you know, there's a certain point where they're like, what? This is quite normal. And at the entire time, no back. And his back was to me. So it was like, I didn't even get to see the front of him at all. And at this point, when he starts to turn, like he's kind of looking at it like, hmm, this is a little suspicious. Kent Boucher (43:44.888) This is not a normal bird. Lyndsey Braun (44:01.518) I just shot him. Kent Boucher (44:05.272) The last thought in his head is something's not right. Augie Dougherty (44:10.06) Yeah, big one. Lyndsey Braun (44:11.434) Yeah, sounds a little suspicious. Augie Dougherty (44:13.728) I feel bad for beating up this bird. He seems like he's got challenges. Doug Duren (44:17.112) Just Lyndsey Braun (44:17.718) Yeah. Kent Boucher (44:19.662) Well that's an awesome way to get it. Would you have Augie Dougherty (44:21.366) Would would you Kent Boucher (44:24.248) Were were you so committed it to shooting that turkey at that point? Would you have shot a decoy to get the turkey? Lyndsey Braun (44:32.014) I don't know if I dare tell this story. So yes, I did not care about the decoy. Kent Boucher (44:38.616) Yeah. I've been there before where it's just like it's time. Lyndsey Braun (44:41.646) I have permission to these decoys. Doug Duren (44:45.528) Yeah, yeah, I said guess what? Lyndsey Braun (44:47.822) I also managed to put a hole through the blind, so... Oh, what? Augie Dougherty (44:51.866) And she's not the first. Doug Duren (44:53.718) Of course, the kind of the cool thing about this spot, it's on this fence line, and our our friend and neighbor Ty is like, you know, we share that line and he allows us to hunt over there as we need to. And so we popped a blind up there. Brock and I popped a blind up there and he convinced me to put it over not where I wanted to put it, but he's like, What I feel like, you know, he's which is how when he's really trying to convince you, he says, but I feel like. Yeah. You know, you know, Brock's about to become a dad. He's not really he's so I'm like, Yeah, sure. Let's just go Augie Dougherty (45:28.15) Using I feel statements. Doug Duren (45:30.562) Yeah the IFS practicing. I feel like the first season nobody killed one up there in the youth hunt. The Renella kids all got theirs in different places. And I go up there the first season, I'm late, it's foggy. I have my new Can Am Outlander electric. Yeah. And I like, well, I'm late. It's foggy. Kent Boucher (46:02.038) Sure it'd be nice to use a silent A T V to roll. Yeah. Doug Duren (46:06.082) Silent killer is what I ride that thing up the hill and I'm sure there's tur turkeys in the trees. I would have never gotten away with walking up there had there been turkeys in the trees. I mean I've roused rousted them out of the roost going up there before. Yeah. It's just all there is just first of all, you're moving quicker than you are if you're walking, especially me. And I would go through this fog, I get up to the top of the hill, I park it in the woods, I walk out, get in the blind, sit down. It's a real it's not a great turkey hunt. Augie Dougherty (46:32.95) Do you have lights on when you were driving? That's what I figured, yeah. Doug Duren (46:35.286) No, I turn the lights off. and I get in the blind and about an hour goes by, hour and a half goes by. There's a little bit of gobbling, but it's foggy and cold and I get this bird that I ended up shooting came from like f over on the county line, which is 600 yards over there. And there was a point to the story in that. And that is when he came up, I just leaned back and shot right through the netty, the the screening on the sale not to do that because you could start a fire. And I was talking to somebody about it, and they're like, that is such nonsense. So I'm like, well, you I think I'll just give it a try. Yeah. Not thinking about, well, now I'm gonna have to replace that. Mine, it's barrel was real close to it, so it's just about the size of the twenty gauge man of a twenty gauge barrel and got him, and that was very exciting. And this is actually kind of cool. Then our friend Brock, who you guys know and love, went up there la week on on Saturday, a week ago Saturday, or whenever it was that we were going over to a different thing. So we didn't go out hunting. We had an event we were going to. And before we were leaving to the event, we get a call from I got one up here. And we go up there and we had moved the since moved the blind where I where I wanted it to be, I might add. And he hope you don't mind a shot through your blind. And his that's a big hole through the blind. And I was like, you know, I I just did the same. So Lindsay did too. So the same blind, so three birds from the same spot and three holes in the blind. Kent Boucher (48:01.858) Yeah. Kent Boucher (48:13.598) That's amazing. It's like tally marks on the cable all. Lyndsey Braun (48:18.082) on different sides, which is kind of interesting too. It's all every corner of it's now blown out. Augie Dougherty (48:24.248) Three birds. Doug Duren (48:25.442) Yeah, and so here we are, you know, it's the last really the last week of the turkey season. the folks who are here from Can Am and the journalists that are along are they out bombing around right now, but we're gonna take them out turkey hunting and maybe we'll get one more. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think yours is number seven. Lyndsey Braun (48:46.253) Yep. Doug Duren (48:46.808) Three Renelli kids, me, my friend Mark. Brock. And you and Brock. Yeah. It's seven. Which is awesome. Is a real good year. I mean, you some you worry about I oddly, I don't worry about killing too many deer, but I do think about are we killing too many turkeys? Yeah. Augie Dougherty (49:02.06) What it does the conversation around turkeys and their habitat. So with deer in Iowa, the conversation about habitat strong drives a lot of conservation efforts. Pheasant is the same way, you know, of course pheasant forever, stuff like that. What about turkey? I I don't hardly hear anything about it, especially in the upper Midwest. Doug Duren (49:24.66) Well, you know anything about that, Augie? Augie Dougherty (49:28.589) that is definitely oop sorry, that was definitely not my area of expertise by any means. Used to be no turkeys and now we have turkeys and they're doing Doug Duren (49:33.804) Well okay then I'll Yeah, that's one of the it's a great success story, conservation success story. Turkeys which were native to this area were what's the word? Extirpated. Yeah. and and they were extirpated and it was the late seventies when there was some exchange done with Missouri and they brought some up here and this was one of the first areas where they were released. Kent Boucher (49:46.402) Payton. Kent Boucher (49:58.478) I didn't realize you guys had lost yours. We did in Iowa as well and and that same deal they they got birds from Missouri to replenish ours. Augie Dougherty (50:07.084) It was a trade, right? Doug Duren (50:08.258) Yeah, I think they got grouse from all. Augie Dougherty (50:10.36) That couldn't work out well. Doug Duren (50:13.08) No, you can't read You can't move trucks. You can't grouse. so I yeah, I don't think it worked out well for Missouri, but it worked out great for us. They're all over the state now. Yeah. And they did some other drops too, but this was the first area and we're actually called zone one. The habitat is kind of what you see. CRP is good turkey habitat because it's nesting habitat. They like the edge, they like the fringe. they like the CRP, the the prairie part because in there they can get the the young can get bugs and all that kind of stuff to begin with. but it's not like you're gonna go out and plant a turkey food. Plot. Although I believe if you go on the Hoxie seed website there might be one. There might be one. Kent Boucher (51:03.79) Might be. Augie Dougherty (51:05.016) Well, I and and the I guess 'cause when you talk about pheasants right now, I didn't want a pheasant forever. the pollinator plots. You gotta get more pollinator plots out. That's what helps pheasants. You know, the conversation around pheasants is very habitat driven. Whereas, you know, I talk to people I know about turkeys. I don't know anything about turkeys. they don't bring up habitat. It's like not part of the conversation as often. And I just didn't know if that was just my experience or if that was just normal for turkey hunters. Kent Boucher (51:31.32) I always like Nick's hunting related observations because he's it's truly coming from a an an unbiased blank slate. The thing that I hear all the time for turkeys is is we man we gotta get out there and trap more raccoons. Yeah. Doug Duren (51:50.766) shoot. Yeah, it's much more about what is killing turkeys, not that turkey what turkeys need to live. Augie Dougherty (51:57.462) You think that's accurate? Kent Boucher (51:58.86) I think there's probably some truth to it, but it Augie Dougherty (52:00.618) You're not you're it's a lot easier to plant habitat than it is to kill all the raccoons out there, Kent Boucher (52:04.918) I'll tell you what. Doug Duren (52:06.177) Yeah. Yeah. Doug Duren (52:11.616) I would say that we have a robust turkey population and can turkeys do habitat damage if there's too many of them? Augie's nodding. Augie Dougherty (52:23.042) I would say so absolutely. I mean, I happen to live in this spot where the turkeys congregate into groups of two hundred plus in the winter. Whoa. And if I walk into this area on the top of this hill, which is great for fall turkey hunting for me. But if you walk into this area in the middle of the winter, it is just roto tilled. I mean the turkeys are eating everything. So and it Doug Duren (52:45.154) Yeah, so they're scratching through and picking any nuts and any kind of Augie Dougherty (52:50.508) Yep. I've gotten I've shot multiple turkeys that I've dissected the crop and pulled out acorns that have sprouts coming out of them. I've tried to plant a turkey acorn before. It does not work if something happens. Yeah, that would be wild. Well what's interesting is like with bison, they would tear the ground, especially if there was a fire. They'd go in, they'd tear the heck out of that ground, but then they would move on. Exactly. You know, so the turkey sound like they're going back to that same spot and they're so desperate for food they're digging out half grown acorns. Yeah. And that's their safe spot too in that winter, you know. So they're going in there to roost every day. Doug Duren (53:30.318) Well yeah, you go into a heavy turkey roost area and there'd be turkey manure all over the ground. Kent Boucher (53:30.403) Yeah. speaker-4 (53:30.922) Interesting. Augie Dougherty (53:37.858) That's my fall turkey hunting strategy. Yeah. 'Cause I just go to a spot with a bunch of turkey crap and sit next to a tree, wait for setup shop. Roost wait for roost time and they come right to you. And in the in Wisconsin you can shoot one a day, so Doug Duren (53:52.918) In the fall, yeah. Yeah. And it doesn't have to be a time. Yeah. Augie Dougherty (53:55.854) Whatever turkey rolls up, shoot it. Buy a tag the next day. Really? I eat a lot of turkey meat. That's that's cool. That's kinda awesome to have a population that can support that. Doug Duren (54:06.56) And I th Doug Duren (54:11.212) I've never I I've seen big populations of turkeys in the winter, but they're usually you see them working across a field where manure had been spread on and out there eating hot lunches. Augie Dougherty (54:20.586) That's always happening. Doug Duren (54:23.032) Yeah. in the other place is a neighbor up here who has ground corn in bag, you know, in the in the long bag. Sure, yeah. And you'll go by there and there'll be two hundred turkeys scratching on the edge of it and I was like, I can't believe he doesn't have a bird dog out there chasing them off. Mark could chase them off all the time. and so I don't think of turkeys as d as destructive as deer because they're not killing live plants. They're killing before they get the opportunity to grow. Augie Dougherty (54:57.71) I would agree. Doug Duren (54:58.818) Well, you really do, like up in our oak woods, you'll see, you'll go in there and it just scratched up. Yeah. Aren't Kent Boucher (55:03.913) Well in Turkey's As far as we know, carrying and distributing incurable disease that threatens the the rest of their population as deer are in this area. You know, there's a whole d C W D side the deer. Doug Duren (55:24.618) of the other part of with deer, yeah. That it's an overpopulation that Mother Nature's had enough of. And so she's given us the disease to take care of it because w we aren't. Yeah. I don't want to talk about I don't want to talk about C W D today. Kent Boucher (55:31.724) Right. Augie Dougherty (55:43.01) That but with with deer when when you guys are like Doug Duren (55:48.822) What Nick's gonna talk about. Kent Boucher (55:49.838) Don't allow me to do it. Lyndsey Braun (55:50.222) You Augie Dougherty (55:52.302) No, but with deer, when you're having a conversation, I mean, up here it probably does involve CWD. R not you know, in the southern half of Iowa, it's not nearly as much, right? Maybe some EHD. But really the conversation by, in my opinion, the f the forerunners of the deer hunting community, they're talking about habitat. You ever been on Iowa Whitetail? They're talking about habitat on there, just post after post after post. Kent Boucher (56:18.104) That's the lowest hole in the bucket for Iowa for sure, too. Augie Dougherty (56:22.158) And I was I was leading into what like I don't know what Iowa's turkey population should be and or where it's at now compared to Kent Boucher (56:31.31) Th I think Iowa actually is one of the few states that is is stable. You know, I I not like we're we're the shining example for our turkey population, but I think we're one of the one of the places that hasn't seen the the huge decline, like much of the southeast has. Doug Duren (56:50.25) I would make these observations of the difference between deer and turkeys. first of all, in turkey hunting, the percentage of successful hunters is less than deer. Yet there are very few complaints about the DNR giving out too many turkey tags. I mean, you can right now, these seasons, you can buy a tag mm be kind of unlimited. Kent Boucher (57:10.87) That's your point. Augie Dougherty (57:16.342) If everybody did what I am able to do in my particular situation, we would probably have a problem with turkey populations. Exactly. Doug Duren (57:22.958) But that's why the biologists monitor it and so the spring hunt you can in in we you can essentially buy the tag over the counter. The earlier seasons you gotta draw those. Sure. But there's there will be leftover tags. And success rates are I don't know, twenty five or thirty percent. It's not as I mean, here we have we're getting all these turkeys, you know, our success rate here is more like eighty. You know, which starts out at a hundred and it just keeps dropping. But we've only had one hunter not get a turkey. That was Adam, who had got a turkey four years in a row, and it's like I he says, I guess it's my year not to get one. No complaints. Yeah. And I think the difference is this. So the even with the deer popul or deer success rates being higher. Lyndsey Braun (58:05.848) So yeah. Doug Duren (58:19.8) Deer don't holler back at you out there in the wood. And with turkeys, man, you go out there in the morning and you hear like you go out one morning, you hear all kinds of gobbling. You know they're out there. Yeah. Next morning when you don't hear any, it's like, well, you know they're still there. Yeah. So at the end of the set, almost every turkey hunter, well, I saw somebody or hand up, they're all you know, these these different things. people talk about how there are fewer turkeys now than there used to be. Well Kent Boucher (58:21.995) This is true. Doug Duren (58:46.4) A reintroduced species comes in and does really well in this new fresh habitat and they there gets to be a a huge population of And then things like they start to move out a little bit, but the other part is the predators are going, look at these, here's a fresh meal. Here's a new new thing on the menu. Those sort of things are happening. Augie Dougherty (59:06.85) And then the predator population will respond to that as well. Yeah. And Doug Duren (59:10.104) Yeah. Yeah. And so and and so that's when it w ends up happening. We've ha been thrilled. then Waggy's been a part of some of these exchanges that we've been having that we have Kent Boucher (59:27.106) I saw Lindsay post a video the other day. Doug Duren (59:29.484) Now we have an experience which is worth talking about too, but just let me say I will post something about Bobcats on that we have these. And I also have the same posts about coyotes and people fawn killers and yeah I'm like my response is they're just out there trying to make a living too. Yeah. You know? so let's not get that worked up about it. It's a pu it's a part of the they're part of the ecosystem, they're an important part. Is there a time when there gets could be too many of Like raccoons or whatever? Right. Doesn't seem like we're gonna run out of turkeys either. Augie Dougherty (01:00:00.106) Mm. It doesn't. Yep. And I think just to comment on the habitat thing that you were asking about, I'm interested to learn more about that because if you were to compare deer habitat to turkey habitat to pheasant habitat, turkeys love the woods. They need trees to roost in. I see turkey I've shot a lot of turkeys in the woods. I see in the woods all the time. Yeah. You know, their polts need what they call umbrella habitat. So When I'm looking at grasslands and stuff and we we have so much brome around here, it's probably not ideal when you have those grasses that are it's a constant mat. Yeah. Because they need that they need like tall arching plants to be able to eat insects off of and protect them from above head predators and things. Yeah. Is that what like you're saying like chicks? Yep. But but like full grown turkeys aren't ducking under New England Aster, are they? I don't think so. Doug Duren (01:00:44.234) That's what you mean by umbrella habitat? Augie Dougherty (01:00:54.346) Okay, yeah, but but when they're young you're saying they need those the well I guess it'd be if you have later season, the earlier season stuff isn't nearly as tall. In the forest, I like to think of like some some stuff right now. 'Cause they're gonna we're gonna start seeing chicks pretty soon. And that's when stuff is already a f yeah a foot or two tall in the woods. And there's a lot of that if you think about geranium, Mayflower, ferns, all that stuff, they can just cruise around and eat bugs. You know, that i that is pretty dense. Yeah. I don't know how pheasants do it. There's basically I I'm I've been paying more and more attention to early like spring ephemerals and not just I mean they're more flowery. They're or they're more dainty, they've got paler colors. I love them so much. yeah. They're more rare, they have less foliage, but it's like they don't have to try as hard as showy goldenrod yeah because they're not competing with big blue stem. Exactly. They they've they're competing with a little bit of wild some sedges. Yeah, they they can just they can chill out and not try as hard. And now what they're competing with is the invasives. Because the whole thing about spring ephemerals is that they're poking up before the leaves are on the trees. But now honeysuckle, buckthorn, autumn olive, multiflora rose, those are all leafing up before the trees. Kent Boucher (01:01:57.558) Yeah, they're they're more subtle, yeah. Augie Dougherty (01:02:17.682) Garlic mustard. And so they do not have access to light right away. And that's what you see in a forest that's just honeysuckle, so there's absolutely nothing on the ground. So interesting. Well and I I I want to hear about the time that you tamed a bobcat, but I broader conversation, I I'm curious with all the conversations you have, Doug, with people about conservation, changing minds, not changing minds, you you see what's what actually works when you're having conversation with people. speaker-4 (01:02:28.245) Interesting. Lyndsey Braun (01:02:34.958) You Augie Dougherty (01:02:47.584) Everyone's different, but on a broad stroke, there are some flagship conservation species. Obviously, monarch, bees, whitetail. and what I've noticed is it's not always how big and charismatic the animal is, like bison. The the reason bison can't be a flagship conservation species is we're we're nine steps away. We're two steps away from saving monarchs from the edge of you know their extinction, but we're nine steps away from bison. So we don't even bother with it. And I guess the question is. If we s if I started writing more things about Turkey, talking about it, interviewing more people more people, does that does that move the needle? Do people that are kind of on board with conservation don't care that much about it yet, don't really it's not in their day to day to think about. Does it get thinking about it or is it not really? Doug Duren (01:03:35.395) Yeah. I don't I think no matter what the conversation is, that habitat is the answer. Yeah. But not habitat specific to a species. I think the pollinator is an interesting comment you made that that PFQF is saying we pollinator habitat is great because it's also good for birds. Well, it's also good for deer. It's also good for turkeys. It's you know, and those species I I guess I would this a broad stroke. Deer don't need our help. No. No matter what the industry wants to tell you, the Whitetail Industrial Complex wants to tell you, they don't need our help. They're going to do just fine. You're looking for something specific, I guess that's a little bit different, but that's generally just age, right? And it's also a a a more balanced population and a lower population. That you want a healthier, bigger healthier herd with more bucks and healthier deer, then you need a smaller herd. And that is the hardest thing to get through people's heads. Who are opening day gun hunters, for instance. I think bow hunters is a little easier conversation to have. People kind of understand that. But bow hunters don't tend to do the work of of managing deer. We manage deer with guns. So it's a odd you know, juxtaposition. turkeys is an interesting comment that Augie made about bromegrass. I mean, I still have we have Yeah, a field or two here that's been in brown grass since nineteen eighty eight. 'Cause that was what you planted back then for C RP. Yeah. And you know Augie Dougherty (01:05:16.758) That's our early C R P plan. Kent Boucher (01:05:18.124) Conservation covers. Yes. Doug Duren (01:05:20.152) yes, permanent cover. And but it's not cover, it's just it's permanent ground cover. It's certainly not permanent habitat cover or diverse habitat. Kent Boucher (01:05:30.27) Zero conservation value. Augie Dougherty (01:05:32.172) Yeah, and that's the thing is that it not just turkeys, but w when I look at habitat, I'm thinking about generally not the game animals because that's what you said, they don't need our help, and that's not what I like to think about. I'm thinking about all these songbirds that just came from South America. Yes. And they're trying to put a nest up there too, because they also have fledglings and they need to cruise around and get bugs. Kent Boucher (01:05:51.234) Yeah, true. Doug Duren (01:05:52.494) True. I think songbirds are probably one of the if we were gonna have a conversation with with the general public, you know, the songbirds are the are are are more of a keystone indicator species. and if we're doing good for songbirds, all those other things are gonna do well too. w after we're done with this, we're gonna go and look at that savanna project that we're gonna we'll go up there and I'll be surprised if we don't see redheaded woodpeckers. Why? Because we open that that canopy up and that's what they want. Redheaded woodpeckers are a bird of interest, right? They're not endangered or anything, but that is the decline. grassland species are the same, and I've I've learned a lot about that too. You know, if I remember Ashley Steinkey from Audubon Society drove by here one day and sent me a message and said, Who in the hell planted all those pine trees in the middle of your grassland? Lyndsey Braun (01:06:49.72) Okay. Doug Duren (01:06:50.414) I did on the advice of some other experts. And you know, so sometimes there's also those things that are at loggerheads too, you know. and I I mean, so I think that I would say habitat and that habitat should be native. Kent Boucher (01:06:53.462) Yeah. Augie Dougherty (01:07:09.088) Mm-hmm. If you put what's supposed to be there there, then it will bring what's supposed to be there. As in. If you put what's supposed to be there there, as in the plants that are supposed to be in that eco ecosystem that were there for thousands of years, then the animals that are supposed to be there will also be there. And the insects. And that's the stuff is like I plant I plant native species as my job and I I do Kent Boucher (01:07:16.056) Yeah. Doug Duren (01:07:18.338) Say that again real slow. Augie Dougherty (01:07:37.91) Restoration work of native ecosystems. I am not an expert on all of the lists of bugs and birds and everything that were here, have been here. But I just know that there's a lot of stuff I don't know. And if I put the right if I can get a good list of plants and just do the right things, those those systems will recover themselves because it's a lot more intelligent than I'm. Kent Boucher (01:07:59.918) That is a great way to say it. I don't know that I've heard anybody quite word it that way, but it's so true. It it it's a safeguard against our ignorance. Yeah. And and so much of projects on the land, you know, Nick and I were talking about plans for planting this coming fall. And and for us when we put in a new production field at at Hoxie, that's you know Yeah, two years. We should get a decent harvest off of this, you know? And and so it's a you're you know, when you make a change on the land, it is a long term drawn out, turning the battleship type of move. And like you said, it's impossible to know everything I need to know of what's what's good for this land, but a good, simple, safe fix is if I put what was once here, here, what was supposed to be here. I can trust that a lot of the details are gonna take care of themselves. Augie Dougherty (01:08:58.483) Yep. I think you gotta be a thousand years old to be an expert on this stuff. Yeah. And there's a lot of people that are experts and know a lot. But I just I've I've always kind of been like a C plus type student, so I just know I'm I'm pretty much doing the right thing. Lyndsey Braun (01:09:11.65) I'm Sam. Doug Duren (01:09:12.462) I ascribe to the Todd Snyder saying it seemed like the right thing at the time. And But as long as you keep an open mind about it, and you know, science changes, habitat what we know about habitat changes. But I think if we keep that theme in mind that that The habitat, native habitat, native landscapes. Yeah. Kent Boucher (01:09:41.112) Well, we need to wrap this one up, but we gotta quickly address like a major I'm still pinching myself a moment today where we spent the first part of the day, where the Sand County almanac was written. And in fact, Mitch pointed out we think it's that saw there or it could be the saw back at the foundation center. But one of the two saws is the saw from my favorite story of of the old oak. The good oak, yeah. And and just to be in that shack cabin, call it the shack, and and you know, Augie and Zack were cutting on well, at least the one pine where they were Zack was taking boughs out of. Yeah. Doug Duren (01:10:16.332) Yeah, the good oak. Kent Boucher (01:10:38.154) it's believed that was planted by Leopold himself. And to just be there doing a small bit of conservation work that we we participated in today in a place and and also while we were there, a single Canada goose flew over, which made me think of another entry that he had in there where something about most people here in Wisconsin would rather watch T V than watch a a goose fly over their house or something. Doug Duren (01:11:11.736) But did you notice that everybody in that crowd went like this? Yeah. They all looked up. Kent Boucher (01:11:15.97) Yeah. It was it was it just to see in a relatively short amount of time, yeah, less than a hundred years, we gotta see the thing that was so valuable to him on the place where he was writing about that. And just a special thing. And then of course, you know, the usual thoughts. Yeah, we knew what, maybe five or six people when we came here, but quickly making friends with all these people all around this common effort of trying to make the ecosystem a little bit better placed. Doug Duren (01:11:49.698) Yeah, it was I I felt real every time I go to and I don't say this lightly, but every time I go to the Leopold Foundation in the shack, I feel like I'm going to my Mecca. and that when I sit in the Leopold benches, I am sitting in the pews of the great of the Church of the Great Outdoors. And so when I had contacted Buddy Huffer and Steve S Swenson, about us coming over there today with the with the journalists and the folks from Can Am and helping with some projects and Augie and Zach who could have been out making a living today. And I told them I mentioned it to them. They're like, we'd like to go. Yeah. Huh. And not only do they only come over there and to be there and be a part of it, but you know, Augie's fell fell in trees and cutting stuff up and Zach's climbing up in trees and Augie Dougherty (01:12:49.768) And I watched them. I watched them do. Doug Duren (01:12:51.68) Well you did what you're best at. Augie Dougherty (01:12:55.286) Ha ha ha. Doug Duren (01:12:56.398) and you know we all pitched in and helped clean up and and and all of that. And it was just really it was important to me that these folks and the Can Am folks who've been so important to sharing the land. Yeah, but then who've also their their their ambassador the head of their ambassador program talked with me last year about Kent Boucher (01:13:13.294) Yeah. Doug Duren (01:13:25.13) About Leopold. I had given him a copy of a San County Almanac and he when he was going back to Montreal, he read it. I ended up hearing from him after that. How important I mean, of course he's thinking about it from marketing and all of that kind of thing. Because he's asking me, Well, how do you use this as a tool? How do we use this as a tool in the work that we do? And it's a pretty long list. It's one of the most important tools that I have for taking care of stuff here in this program. Augie Dougherty (01:13:50.542) It's helped me a lot. Yeah, it saved your life. That's true. Kent Boucher (01:13:53.121) Yeah. Doug Duren (01:13:55.502) Yeah, that wouldn't be a heck of a time to walk from all the way up there. Which I'm comfortable doing. Augie Dougherty (01:13:57.89) Yeah, sweet. Kent Boucher (01:13:59.851) Yeah. Augie Dougherty (01:14:01.646) The we also gotta give big shout out to those mosquitoes. mosquitoes like that. That was outrageous Kent Boucher (01:14:12.288) The bird is doing well. Yeah. Doug Duren (01:14:14.626) So I lathered up pretty good with the spray before we went out there because as soon as we got out of the car, I was like, my gosh, and this is the first mosquitoes, and I'm living in a land of mosquitoes, apparently, down in Spring Green now. And I for a minute I thought they were Mayflies or something because they were crazy. When they go by your ear and you hear. Kent Boucher (01:14:32.852) it was it was crazy. Yeah. Doug Duren (01:14:37.71) So Buddy said to me, Buddy Heuker, the executive director, said to me, these early season ones, they're big, but they don't really bite. It's the smaller later season ones that really come after you. Well, I was Steve Swenson was talking to the group and he had that sweater on, and I was just watching me, his whole back was covered with Kent Boucher (01:14:54.934) The smaller hungry ones. Lyndsey Braun (01:15:03.757) Yeah Augie Dougherty (01:15:04.448) I tried not to think about how many were probably on me. I just rubbed kept rubbing my yeah. I got a few bites. Yeah. Lyndsey Braun (01:15:08.045) What the f*** is this? Doug Duren (01:15:11.95) I did too. I did too. But isn't I mean that's a part of the story that you that everyone heard today about how Leopold bought this rundown farm on the Wisconsin River and we saw it w the a result of the healing that they did there. And then today we got to heal the healing a little bit. Augie Dougherty (01:15:33.602) And I think the mosquitoes are probably unfortunately a sign of quality habitat. Because how many birds require that? We were people were coming into a wild place. You guys talk about all the time. People were coming into a wild place and it sucked, probably. Yeah. So I could see why people wanted to tame it a little bit, but it is unbelievable to go to a spot that's been restored like that. There's a prairie expert at s central college and and Doug Duren (01:15:39.49) Yeah. Yeah. Augie Dougherty (01:16:02.744) Pell, Iowa, name's Doctor Russ Benedict, and and he said that the prairie was an extremely adverse place. Like dangerous to your health. It was so adverse. You can't even see I mean, if you're in a tall grass prairie, you can't see twenty feet. Kent Boucher (01:16:14.56) No yeah, if you've walked through like a a really healthy, thick prairie, it's I mean, you it's type two fun. Yeah. You don't know you're having fun while you're doing it, that's for sure. Augie Dougherty (01:16:27.896) Yeah, the I a big shout out to Buddy and and Steve for letting me walk on that second ever prairie re reconstruction. Yeah second ever the second oldest, yeah. I didn't know that either. That was Kent Boucher (01:16:44.928) Yeah, yeah. Augie Dougherty (01:16:46.68) The first was also done by Leopold, but then this one it was really cool 'cause there were there were really mature plants in there. And I just wonder, I'm like, they probably could ha there was enough remnant around they could hand pick seed, but like, how much diversity? You know, did they have a hundred species? And and it was several acres. It was quite a large area, so how did they get enough seed? You know, dozens and dozens of pounds. They hand pick that 'cause I I know John Deere existed, but it didn't have a machine for harvesting you know, any of that stuff. So I I feel like my job's hard sometimes, but I d that three acre patch would have probably done me under trying to And it was just cool to cool to be on. I felt I felt connected. That was the I was like, man, I'd can't imagine. Can't imagine. Kent Boucher (01:17:21.72) Yeah. Doug Duren (01:17:29.806) Yeah. I'm so glad you guys got there today while we were there. Yeah. Love it when a plan comes together. Kent Boucher (01:17:33.312) Me too. That's right. That's right. Well, with that, thank you so much for hosting us again. And it's it's just always good to be up here and be with you guys. And and it's I think probably w we always talk about this, the the extreme and temperature swing since the last time we see each other. I know for a fact it was negative thirteen when I was taking a leak outside of the in the morning we left. Lyndsey Braun (01:18:02.574) You Doug Duren (01:18:03.156) It's a much nicer day today. It's in the seventies today. And hey, before you before you before we go here, you guys mm you any pheasants out there? Kent Boucher (01:18:12.64) you are welcome to come back and visit. Doug Duren (01:18:14.486) Auggy and I would like to come out and and bring our our new favorite dog in the world, Mark. Kent Boucher (01:18:19.221) Absolutely. Augie Dougherty (01:18:20.012) I don't know when it's coming out, but there's an episode of a TV show that we're on that has an epic pheasant hunt with I would say Kent and I. I was around. It was an epic pheasant hunt for Kent and for Travis Frank and highly recommend that should be out this fall, is what I was told. Yeah. Fall twenty twenty six. Kent Boucher (01:18:40.812) Well, and there's also an epic sharing the land on X Hoxy film on YouTube. I think you can find it on both of our YouTube channels on Sharing the Land and on the Hoxy Native Seeds YouTube channel. Doug Duren (01:18:55.976) One last thing before we go. Augie Doherty, armchair boogie will be they host every fall, early fall. Tell me the date. Kent Boucher (01:18:59.83) Yes. Augie Dougherty (01:19:07.085) September eleventh. September and twelfth, never forget. Doug Duren (01:19:09.646) Is that right? Seventh September 11th at the Driftless Music Gardens in Yuba, Wisconsin. That place is as exotic as it sounds. it's a fantastic music venue. It's a fantastic band. our friend Dave Simonette and Trampled by Turtles is playing that show, that's the festival as well. Folks, let's get the biggest crowd we've ever had at Driftless. Kent Boucher (01:19:33.197) We get a lot of Augie Dougherty (01:19:33.942) From Iowa out there too. Really? yeah, there's that come. Yeah. What what's the band name again? My band's name is Armchair Boogie. the the venue is called Driftless Music Gardens, and we're it's Trampled by Turtles, Daniel Donato, and a whole bunch of other cool musicians there. But they the Driftless Music Gardens also hosts four or five other festivals throughout the year. There's gotta be a study on live music concert. attendance and overall happiness in life. Like th there's just you just can't replace it. I don't care how much Spotify you have. It's a it's a bell curve. Too much. Kent Boucher (01:20:11.808) too much is Augie Dougherty (01:20:16.586) 'cause you're a you're a one every weekend. I'm a yeah, I'm a professional musician. Kent Boucher (01:20:21.226) Things start to blend together and get a little hazy. Augie Dougherty (01:20:23.835) I absolutely love it. The two things that bring me joy in life are music and and nature and I get to practice both of those every week, so Doug Duren (01:20:31.566) Love it. And that sounds like the end to me. Yeah. Kent Boucher (01:20:35.542) Can you give us that last that last line of the song you opened us with? Just you don't have to play it, but just just the lyrics. I thought that was so yeah, so perfect for our con Augie Dougherty (01:20:46.986) There's a story behind it too. what's the good in living if the living really isn't that good? Love it. And I stole that almost directly from watching the Lord of the Rings offshoot series. The Hobbit. Wasn't there like a three part? 'Cause I don't even know my own story. Yeah. And the a Hobbit comes on, he's like, What's the good in living if the living isn't good? And I was like, That's got a rhythm to it and when and having a rhythm and a saying like that is perfect. So Doug Duren (01:20:52.054) Okay. Doug Duren (01:21:04.782) Yeah yeah. Augie Dougherty (01:21:16.362) I tooled around with it for a long time before I was able to even say it. Doug Duren (01:21:19.672) Yeah. Yeah. Augie Dougherty (01:21:21.538) Alright, well I think we'll call it. Thanks guys. I'm gonna end it where that sounds like then to me, I think that'll be your ending in and then I'll put your ending in and it'll sound great. Thank you boys. Thanks for letting me indulge on that turkey conversation. I've been wanting to talk about it. Doug Duren (01:21:33.708) Yeah. Doug Duren (01:21:40.483) It's funny because now I don't wanna be I love turkey so much. Turkey Human was so much fun quite pretty well. Lyndsey Braun (01:21:49.932) Yeah.