Ep. 301 (Coffee Time) Lab Grown Meat is Inevitable
Join Nicolas, Kent, and Riley for another Coffee Time Wednesday as they dive into the inevitability of lab-grown meat and its implications for agriculture. Starting with a philosophical hypothetical about improving lives, the conversation evolves into a fascinating discussion about how cellular agriculture could reshape farming, land use, and food production for a growing global population. This episode explores the intersection of technology, traditional agriculture, and the future of food security.Listen now!
Key Topics Covered
- **Philosophical frameworks for decision-making** - Opening with an engaging hypothetical about personal versus community benefit
- **Lab-grown meat technology and production** - Understanding cellular agriculture and its current development
- **Agricultural land use implications** - How reduced livestock farming could affect land management and conservation
- **Population growth and food security** - Meeting the challenge of feeding 9.7 billion people by 2050
- **Prairie restoration opportunities** - Potential for converting feed production land to native ecosystems
Notable Insights from This Episode
**On personal decision-making:** Nicholas offers a theological perspective on choosing personal improvement over community benefit, drawing parallels to free will and individual agency.
**On agricultural adaptation:** The hosts discuss how lab-grown meat represents another evolution in farming technology, similar to the transition from horses to tractors or the adoption of GPS-guided equipment.
**On land use potential:** The conversation touches on how reduced pressure on traditional livestock operations could create opportunities for prairie restoration and conservation programs.
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Ep. 301 (Coffee Time) Lab Grown Meat is Inevitable
Lab grown meat, agriculture for a growing population
Coffee Time 10-29-25 FinalKent Boucher: [00:00:00] If you had the chance to make everyone's life in, what are our parameters here? Ri, whole world, whole country, whole state, whole county, whole town.
Riley Rozendaal: We'll say town. Don't give Nicholas too much power. Everyone in your whole
Kent Boucher: town. Mm-hmm. That's a good choice. 'cause it's a little more personal if you can make their lives 15% better.
Like there was just, I don't know. It was like, I think my
Nicolas Lirio: life's kind of better right now. I
Kent Boucher: guess God would tell you, I can make everybody's life 15% better in your town. Okay. Or you could make your own life 90% better.
Nicolas Lirio: What would you choose? You want me to be theological about it? I just want you to answer Dick.
Oh man. That's a thing to ask people. [00:01:00] I'm gonna bleep that out. Um. Okay. Here, here's why. The, the natural answer is 15% for everybody else. Yeah. Because there's
Kent Boucher: other people in the room. It's easy.
Nicolas Lirio: Yeah. Yeah. And 10,000 people listening. So I'm
Kent Boucher: talking You're by yourself.
Nicolas Lirio: Yes. I, I know, I know, I know. So here's why, like the kind
Kent Boucher: of, the kind of vulnerability of when you're popping your own back sits.
I've never. What's on with you? What, what, what do you, what do what you answer? Who yelled at you as a kid? What do you, what do you, what are you thinking?
Nicolas Lirio: I, I would do the 90% for me. Here's why. Oh my goodness. No, I know what angle, dude. I know what angle he's gonna take though. He's so selfish. He's so self-centered.
Dude, this was the biggest freaking lose lose that I've ever seen. One where Ken's like you, pomp is Of course, of course you're gonna say 50% people are listening right now. That's why I asked you.[00:02:00]
Okay. Listen, here's why. Here's actually why in the Bible you go to Adam and Eve, and this question's asked all the time theologically why this is a world class justification, if I've ever heard it. Okay? We're going the long way around here. Here we go. Judge Judy would probably side with me on this when she hears this argument.
So Adam and Eve, they eve eats the apple and everyone's like, what the freak? Why would, why would you even put that tree in there? Because God decided that it was better to not be controlling about how people's lives go, even at their own detriment, let's people decide their own lives. So I'm just letting other people decide how that 15% is going to go for them.
I'm not gonna control them. In fact, you could even say that the similarity is, is close to what God would've done.
Kent Boucher: So how would your life be better if you chose for it to be 90%
Nicolas Lirio: better? Oh, man, this is a much more fun question. Yeah. I've been thinking about, I [00:03:00] just start telling you about the, like a hundred percent cotton underwear that I wanted to get into.
How, how would it, how would it be better? I percent better, 90% better. I don't, I, I mean, erasing all my debt. I have a wonderful life. I get to hang out with my friends at work. I get to go home and hang out with my friends. I enjoy my wife, which is like scarily rare when I start talking to other people about their marriages.
Crazy. And, uh, not these guys. These guys have a great time. Yeah. And uh, and I enjoy my community. My wife and I run a coffee shop, like I have a great life. But you have six pack abs.
I, I'm ju that would only, like, I'm not walking around without a shirt on. That would only, no, I'm just mean 90% of like somebody who got what happens in the mirror just telling you. So back wishing for six
Kent Boucher: pack abs. No, I'm just saying it would be a symptom of like great physical health. Would that be a part of your [00:04:00] 90% better, your physical health?
Yeah, physical health would be, would be, would definitely be in there.
Nicolas Lirio: Okay. Okay. Okay. Uh, I would actually, if I could top tier physical health and only do, if I had to do that or debt, I would do health. But I would probably, if ideal I, I'd pick half and half, halfway to my health goals and halfway to my, uh, financial goals.
Which literally my, literally my full financial goals is not have debt right now and start a company that affects so many people that it ends up being worth a hundred million dollars. And my wife was like, you want a hundred million? No, I don't even want, I have no use for that money. I just want it to reflect whatever Eugene, we know, man.
Riley Rozendaal: We know he wants that sixth t-shirt.
Kent Boucher: You need a hundred million dollars for that. I just want you to be rich enough to afford deodorant.
Nicolas Lirio: Oh man. Oh man. Welcome back to Coffee Time Wednesday.
Coffee time Wednesdays with, uh, the Prairie Farm [00:05:00] Podcast. Can't hit us with the jingle.
I am your favorite host. Nicholas LiRo, and I need you guys to call for help. I'm currently getting bullied over here at my place of work, uh, and I'm joined by, uh, your favorite co-host, Ken Boucher, who's nearly done with Harvest and
Kent Boucher: twice as cheer as normal. Yeah, that is true,
Nicolas Lirio: man. We, we, we backed that wagon in like 30 minutes before it started raining.
Riley Rozendaal: Yeah. Crazy.
Nicolas Lirio: It is a soggy day out there right now. It is, and it's like sleeting. It's real chilly. It's not technically sleeting, but it kind of feels like it, you know?
Riley Rozendaal: Yeah.
Nicolas Lirio: And, uh, favorite co-host to your favorite co-host, Riley Rosendal.
Riley Rozendaal: Howdy, howdy. I have the same amount of pep as usual. I'm not, I like Kent.
Uh, Mr.
Nicolas Lirio: Even keel. Yeah, even, even keel. The Evens keel. Alright, [00:06:00] so Kent was telling me something he found that was really cool. This was a few weeks ago. I don't know if you remember this, Kent. And I scared. I'm so sorry. No, what is it? What is the reels are private. Dang. Yeah, dude, that's, oh man. That'll get you damned.
I'll tell you what, if someone shows people the reels, you said your friends, your close friends, um. No, no, no. It was something that you're like, man, this is so cool. I hope this ends up coming True. Um, lab grown meat. No. Get some big shut your mouth meat cut. I, I, one I want to try, I just wanna see what it tastes like.
Um, probably tastes like a used bandaid.
Kent Boucher: Used
Nicolas Lirio: bandaid.
Kent Boucher: You sound clumped. Experienced clump of fleshy
Nicolas Lirio: cells. Oh, gross. Well, actually the reason I I bring up lab grown meat is because. There's a, a lot of factors in terms of agriculture, true agriculture stems all the way back to, uh, because I mean, when you're using agriculture as, uh, um, [00:07:00] as energy, then it's just mining.
We call it agriculture, just mining. Mm-hmm. But, uh. Uh, agriculture for food is a very complicated situation. Part of the reason we do corn is because of how shelf stable it is, right? Same with soybeans. And, um, and then there's, there's some resiliency that we want to create that we don't exactly have in the Midwest.
And, and, uh, even if we did regenerative ag everywhere, could we actually get enough meat off of it? I don't know. And if we can't get enough meat, where is, where's the extra protein gonna come from? Well, the trend of the United States would say. We would fight for something cheaper and grown in a lab and sold to us on Saturday morning cartoons, which very, you're kidding.
This is
Kent Boucher: really your topic.
Nicolas Lirio: Lab grown meat, which All right. Very well could be lab grown meat. It's not about lab grown meat. The point is more about, uh, um, what. Are we gonna actually corners WHYT stands
Kent Boucher: a chance. Yeah. Of what you're, yeah. What your steel manning WT stands a chance. Well,
Nicolas Lirio: I'm, I'm not for lab grown meat.
I [00:08:00] mean, isn't lab grown meat basically just spam? You know, that's what, that's how I feel about spam. Um, and people die for that stuff, man. There are people who freaking love it. Um, but so that's a question I have for you guys, not lab grown meat is. If everything was done appropriately, like we had everything we snapped our fingers and wanted in terms of regeneration and the ecology being healthy and wholesome while also being able to do agriculture, can we do agriculture in a healthy way and sustain the population?
Um.
Kent Boucher: I, uh, I think that we, the, so let's break it down. There's a couple arguments for it. The first argument is it's not scalable. Right. You hear that all the time. Yeah. From, from the proponents of, of big Ag. And that's not entirely true because there are large scale, uh, producers who use regenerative practices.
Um, Gabe Brown would be a great example of that. Mm-hmm. Um, there's, [00:09:00] there's quite a few people I've noticed in like the. What do you, what do you call it? The, the, um, plane states like Nebraska and the Dakotas, like kind of like that narrow band where you have like these regenerative operations that do like commod, some commodity crop production, but livestock are very closely tied.
Mm-hmm. With that. Well, they,
Nicolas Lirio: I'm, they, they. They can't make as much on the land, so there's less of like a greedy prize to be had on their acres. You know what I mean? Yeah, that's probably true. Well,
Riley Rozendaal: rainfall gets drastically different as soon as you get west of Iowa anyway. Yeah,
Kent Boucher: true.
Riley Rozendaal: So,
Kent Boucher: so, yeah. I mean there's, there's people that are doing that at scale, but.
I think clear back, if you go back to the depths of the episodes for this podcast in the early days, Hmm. We talked about, um, how our energy pyramid, which is just a simple diagram used to explain energy flow and how that dictates population size in an ecosystem. [00:10:00] We, we talked about how humans really do not fit on there any anymore because we've, we've hacked it.
Right? And as a result, our population has ballooned to eight, what is it? 8 billion, 8.1 billion now. Yeah. Yeah. Um, people, and so what got us there was a. A, an extremely efficient means of getting calories mm-hmm. That no other organism operating within the rules of the ecosystem is able to achieve. And so from that standpoint, I would say that I, although I think that regenerative ag is certainly scalable, um.
Uh, there's examples of that happening. Mm-hmm. From just having so many, so many cheap calories that were throwing 'em in the garbage to. I mean, I used to work [00:11:00] at, I was a teacher at a school. Go look at the go, look at the trash can during lunch. How many calories are just thrown in the garbage every day, untouched.
You know what I mean? Tons of food just tossed. Mm-hmm.
Riley Rozendaal: Yeah. So
Kent Boucher: we have so much food that we're able to do that our grocery stores have very strict rules on. I mean, there's whole organizations out there, like Second Harvest or King's Harvest or whatever, where they, they like get the, just about to expire.
Yeah. Or very recently expired, but still edible. Food from grocery stores and give it out for free places. Mm-hmm. Right. So we have so many calories that we're throwing 'em away.
Nicolas Lirio: Yeah. But how many of those calories do you think are net positive on the body?
Kent Boucher: Uh, not very, very few of them. Very few. I, yeah. And we see the evidence of that, right?
In a first world country, I would say the average person you see when you're walking. Through a very populated area, I would say the average person is unhealthy. Mm-hmm. From, would you guys agree with that? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, even if they aren't like morbidly obese or something, like if you had to [00:12:00] say, Hey, go run a mile right now, their cardiovascular health would not, would not be able to handle it.
Well, I've,
Nicolas Lirio: I mean, you, I've talked to you about this. I, I have a fast metabolism and so you look at me and you go, oh, he might have a little bit extra on him, but he's not, oh, no. I think a lot of, no. Like, people see me, they're not like, man, he's really crazy fat. But if I had the metabolism of someone else that was a little slower, I would be overweight.
She could have just burned me back
Kent Boucher: right there. But you didn't, you're such a nice man. He took the high road. The, the sad, I
Nicolas Lirio: can't roast Kent. 'cause the, the sad truth is like, oh, just, it's, it's pity. No, no, no, no, no. Sad truth is he. He is in better shape. You know what I mean? Yeah, that's true. You, you're just a larger human look.
I tell him, look at his fingers. His fingers are naturally thicker than mine. They like, it would be weird if you were as skinny as me.
Kent Boucher: Yeah, that's probably true. Um, it freaked me out. And your wife. But, but yeah, everybody would be
Nicolas Lirio: weirded out kind of disgusted, honestly. So weird. Look at
Kent Boucher: that guy. Weird. Um, [00:13:00] no, but I, I.
I think that the calories, I don't know that they would be there to support 8 billion people, but I offer this caveat. I have oftentimes said that I think the way forward are small farms. So in other words, we aren't reliant on a very small percentage of the population, um, producing the vast majority of calories for the rest of the population.
I think if every family. Produced one item that they eat regularly. Um, that. That would be a huge step in the right direction. And if you went to like 2, 3, 4 things, um, uh, if you, if you produce those, I think that, um, we could do, we could raise food in a healthier way for the environment. So the, the price
Nicolas Lirio: would be that you, the extra economic resources and energy wouldn't be there.
So I [00:14:00] wouldn't get a $200 tv. I'd have to pay $600 for my tv.
Kent Boucher: Right, right. And I think that Interesting. I think that the, uh, experience of going out into a public place. Uh, and seeing the vast majority of people being unhealthy would not be the case either, you know? Hmm. Look at, look at pictures of like, uh, the Iowa State Fair from, you know, 1955 compared to
Nicolas Lirio: 2025.
Yeah. That's not good. You know what I mean? Not good brother. Yeah. I, I mean, and, and, uh. You know what? Populations get heavier and heavier. Poor populations, poor populations get heavier and heavier when they, when they have the excess resources. Um, and, uh, we are, I mean, in Iowa, the United States had a net positive GDP by quite a bit.
And if you take away data centers, then it's. 0.1% or something Iowa negative we're, we're in a recession, right? And so even though the United States are like, look, we're shooting off to the moon, that's actually who makes the money? It's the tech companies on the west [00:15:00] coast and the, the companies that support them all out there, you know, the billions and trillions of dollars.
And then the East coast, the companies that finance. Mm. Right. And so there's all this money going in and out, and so in the United States, we tend to, it goes right over us. Yeah. I mean, literally. And, and we, and, and they go, uh, that money is transferred through our data center, so, yeah. Yeah. And, and so I don't know.
Also, um, I, the thing with the lab grown meats is like we tend to, in our consumption of food, tend to devolve. Yeah. Right. That seems to be the, mm-hmm. Uh, the basis except for Trader Joe's. Really, really enjoyed listening to that story. Shout out to the acquired podcast. You wanna know a little bit about, uh, this lab grown meat we're talking about.
Um, it is, uh, what's your,
Kent Boucher: what's your resource right
Nicolas Lirio: now? The resource on, let me go and check my, click on the thing I can find it. National Institute of Health, uh, McKinsey, which is PubMed. [00:16:00] Uh, congress.gov, American Psychol Psychological Association. Um, and there's one more. Let's see. Where are you at? News medical.org.
Kent Boucher: Ri be your best. Do your best, uh, conspiracy theorist. Uh, you
Nicolas Lirio: can't
Kent Boucher: trust the government
Nicolas Lirio: on anything. All send tin foil hat.
So here are the things. 95% less land to create the same amount of protein. I'm not for, I want to be clear, I'm not for lab grown beef. I don't know,
Kent Boucher: man. You're
Nicolas Lirio: just like really coming across in a way. So they take, they take a, a, you
Kent Boucher: have a bison steak producer sitting, right. You're offensive.
Nicolas Lirio: They take a, a sample of cells from a living animal.
Either a cow or chicken, and then they put it literally, it says into a bioreactor, uh, and feed it nutrient, feed it, nutrient rich growth mediums like vitamins, amino acids, and sugars. Mm-hmm. Um, and then, [00:17:00] uh, the cells multiply and differentiate into muscle and. Often using a scaffold. I don't know what that means to achieve meat, like texture.
Oh, scaffold as in like structure grows. Yeah. Uh, weeks later, I guess weeks later you have edible meat. Here's a, here's another thing though. It is way more expensive currently, but the price is dropping about half. Every two years shopping. The, um, different countries are taking different stances on it, different laws on labeling, that kind of stuff.
I mean, nobody's gonna produce it for 10 times as much. Um, does it have blood flow? I. I, I did, that did not come across in anything that I read to, to keep the tissue alive. Does it? No, it's not. It's not alive. That's, it's Define Alive. 'cause it's gotta grow. Right? Or where? Where Philosophy podcast at It's
Riley Rozendaal: Meat Slap.
Yeah, meat
Nicolas Lirio: slap. I mean, I'm just added It's. School every
Kent Boucher: day for years. I'm just thinking this is a source of some new infectious disease. Yeah. Yeah. There are a lot of movies about this virus
Nicolas Lirio: just attacks the lab grown meat factory. Oh, woo. [00:18:00] Um, yeah, super expensive, but it again, it uses 95% less land per amount of pro per unit of protein.
Um, 90% less water, uh, animal welfare, which is kind of like, not the thing that I'm trying to harp on right now. Um, no antibiotics, which is a big deal to some people, you know, like Chick-fil-A, they, that is a
Kent Boucher: serious thing, like the antibiotic. Yeah. You know, the Tom Philpot talked about it with us. The different, the different, um, considerations with.
Feeding our food antibiotics, but also even things like antibacterial soap and stuff like that. And what, what that does for our, our, um, I guess micro, micro world, our microbiology world.
Riley Rozendaal: Oh yeah. You just, you just say that 'cause you're up, dirt in your eyes every day on accident here at the farm.
Nicolas Lirio: Well, and uh, so apparently it's supposed to help with foodborne illnesses.
Like these are more shelf stable products. Um, but also, you know, what's very shelf stable, all the things in the cereal aisle. So I don't, [00:19:00] you know, I don't know if shelf stables what we're, we're shooting for all the time. Um, shelf stable means not fresh. It doesn't need to be fresh. Don't worry about it, dude.
Nick, how old is this pizza?
Kent Boucher: Oh, it's shelf
Nicolas Lirio: stable. Have you guys seen that? SNL sketch? That's like it's almost pizza.
Kent Boucher: I think I've heard of that. Oh my
Nicolas Lirio: good dude, it's so funny. Well, what is it? Is it pizza? It's almost pizza. It kind of looks like pizza and then it, the pizza starts crawling around. Um, but yeah, I just, I think painful for me to say, I think this is inevitable.
I don't think they'll call it meat, but I think, I mean like chicken nuggets. Holy crap. That's basically the thing you're saying. You're saying
Kent Boucher: so from a human nature standpoint. Yeah,
Nicolas Lirio: yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm. That's what I, and, and, and just like not profit should happen for less money. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. But, and then, and then the argument will be.
Because nobody's given up their $200, uh, tv. Like I, it just, you're not gonna convince people who [00:20:00] are in the rat race to do that. Um, and so when you get to that point, then it's like, well, you know, in order to have the scale enough to feed everybody that we need to feed, that's it. It's a load of crap, the real sentences, in order to be able to feed enough people as cheaply as they wanna be fed.
That's the real sentence. We need to do X, y, and Z. Mm-hmm. Um, we need to be growing this meat here in a lab. We need to be in a bioreactor, which is like, hard to say, dude. Um, but yeah, 2023, I, I, you probably remember that's when we first kind of heard about it, was in 2023. It was because, um, the US approves like a sale.
The, for a cult, their, uh, fake grown chicken is what it was. That's why it, it hit the news really hard and since then there's been billions of dollars invested in it. Um, but you know, they're gonna market it, not lab grown meat. They're gonna market as like almost meat or something, you know? And so, I don't know.
I [00:21:00] think.
Kent Boucher: Yeah. I, I'm not in favor of it. I don't, I think it, I think there's health concerns. I think there's, I mean, I just, I'm never in favor of people getting further and further removed from where their food comes from. Mm-hmm.
Nicolas Lirio: Hey, you guys was. Wanted to take is a field trip to the farm, and it's just like a nuclear reactor as
Kent Boucher: a, as a bison rancher.
Ri what are your thoughts on it?
Riley Rozendaal: Uh, I think that the, the question that comes to mind for me when we talk about lab grown meat is people say, oh, well we need, we need to feed the world. But not, not just what are you feeding 'em? There's a concern there, but. What are we gonna do with the rest of the world?
Like a significant portion of many countries? GDP is food production. Mm-hmm. So we're gonna shift production to make meat slop on scaffolds, and we're all [00:22:00] gonna get our, our meat lop and we're all gonna go home and watch tv and all the land is just. Well, AI does all of our work for us. You know, I don't know what, what are we gonna build houses on every like square inch of everything.
We get
Nicolas Lirio: a prairie where, where actual meat could roam.
Riley Rozendaal: I don't know about that. Uh, I, I feel like we the free market to find a solution for that. Yeah. I
Kent Boucher: think we're, I think, I think we, Riley's touching on something important here. Like at what point do we, like, do we just work so hard to take away any kind of.
Effort to wear. What? What is it to
Riley Rozendaal: be a human that you
Kent Boucher: work? We might as
Riley Rozendaal: well live in space. Everybody looks at their phone, get West, and Wally was just so long, they were just so real life Wally. I mean, you know, you just, you put yourself in a bubble. You go to work, you get outta work, you hop in your car, you drive home, you run back and you inside your air conditioned box and eat your meat lop and you go to sleep.
Yeah, yeah. You know, it's like,
Nicolas Lirio: eat your meat, lop. What are we doing?
Riley Rozendaal: That sounds like prison. I don't know. It doesn't sound like a very good way to live your life [00:23:00] personally, but
Kent Boucher: what era, so I we're, we're describing things that make this seem like we're not, we're not in the, the best era of American history right now.
Hmm. We're in the most. Advanced. Um, but I think what we're all saying between the lines is that we've already crossed some thresholds that probably weren't best for us, and we're staring down the barrel of some more thresholds that we're gonna cross pretty soon.
Riley Rozendaal: Yeah.
Kent Boucher: Um, what, what do you think from like a technology standpoint, a connectivity standpoint?
A, uh. Purpose standpoint. What, what? Like what, what kind of era? And of course we're stereotyping here 'cause we weren't there. Yeah, possibly. But when do you think 1950s? 1950s.
Nicolas Lirio: We, we were unbelievably wealthy and that's not the end all, be all. But there was a lot more time for connection. There weren't as many distractions, which to be fair.
If people talk about like, oh, dads come home and they just get on their phone. [00:24:00] That's true. They also used to just not come home 'cause they were working too much, or just come home and look in the newspaper. Yeah. If someone doesn't wanna be with their family, they're not gonna be with their family, you know?
Yeah. And then, but the other thing is we just came off of an incredible high of winning World War ii. I think that which
Kent Boucher: also contributed to the wealth 'cause nobody else had anything. Yeah,
Nicolas Lirio: absolutely. And so, I mean it really, really good for emotional, it's really good for your emotional health to win something that was really hard fought, like super hard fought.
Mm-hmm. And we did that as a nation, right. So, I don't know, I, that's my guess in terms of, I don't know if it was, I don't know if everything about it was the best, but I just think that was probably the most solid.
Kent Boucher: Yeah, I think that's a, I think that's a good guess.
Nicolas Lirio: Or 1864 and farming was
Kent Boucher: certainly, farming was certainly, um, I think a healthier model then too, as far as, yeah, there was a lot more small farms and, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
People could kind of, people could still kind of get into farming and get out of farming as, as they were like, before confinement for me. I'll go do [00:25:00] something else. Not I have to get out because I have no money left to survive on. Yeah,
Nicolas Lirio: yeah, that's true. It, it, we were established enough, but not. Not, uh, consolidated yet.
Yeah, that's a good point.
Riley Rozendaal: Yeah. If, if, if it were me and it was Iowa, I would say late 18 hundreds. Hmm. Like, uh, don't, no, no telephones. You know, time is a suggestion. Uh, farms is a suggestion. Farms were, uh, varied enough crop rotations, things are just slower.
Nicolas Lirio: Do you journal?
Riley Rozendaal: No.
Nicolas Lirio: Brother, you're, you're this old soul and everybody used to journal.
Yeah. It doesn't, and not like a heartfelt thing. Just like, today I did this. Today I did this.
Riley Rozendaal: It's, it's all in my head, I guess.
Nicolas Lirio: Yeah. Well, you gotta have it for your great, great grandkids. Yeah. You're not gonna read that on iPad. They're gonna be on like
Riley Rozendaal: TikTok number five, you
Nicolas Lirio: know? Yeah, that's right. No, no, no, no.
You need be leaving. You need to be leaving your grandkids TikTok. I have a
letter that my great grandpapa. Typed out and sent to my dad in [00:26:00] like 1999 and it is one of my favorite things in the world. Never met the guy and one of my favorite things in the world. So anyway, I just, 'cause in the late 18 hundreds everybody journaled every evening.
Yeah. You know, to keep record and
Kent Boucher: stuff. Man, you kind of threw me for a loop with your late 18 hundreds there. And I started thinking too, like Chase Burns called this out once too. Um, you know, it's easy as. The history isn't the same for all people, I guess is what you can say, right? And so, um, certainly one of the big, big positives of where we're at today is that, um, although we still have, you know, definite improvement to make, thankfully we've gained a lot of ground on how on, you know, how we, um, view people of different nationalities and races and, and ancestries and things like that.
Um, because. 1950 wasn't so hot for African Americans. Right. But, [00:27:00] um, as far as, so focusing maybe not so much on the social side of things, I think probably just an era when. Some of the components that both of you were, were listing, right? Where there was more intentionality behind what you were doing? More Yeah.
More, uh, purpose, you know, like you really didn't have to question why you were cutting wood in the late 18 hundreds. Yeah. So it's like, if, if we don't have enough wood, like we're not gonna make it what
Nicolas Lirio: I do matters. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Kent Boucher: And I think
Nicolas Lirio: you're not a telemarketer. So
Kent Boucher: I think when, you know. When you could go to an era, whenever that would be where most people knew.
And, and it's just so counterintuitive to what the materialistic, consumerism model that is, is advertised to us, um, of leisure, um, vacation, um, retire when you're 55 and go sit on
Riley Rozendaal: the beach and drink margaritas.
Kent Boucher: [00:28:00] Right? Yeah. And, and. Those, not that we can't enjoy a round of golf, you know, with a, with our buddies or, or, you know, a, a sandy beach, which sounds just terrible to me.
Um, I hate seeing between my toes. Um, the, the, uh. Um, reality is those can't be your whole life and you have a good life. Mm-hmm. And yet we all vault towards that. Yeah. That reality. You know what, what, we've talked about this, I think before that a lot of people are projecting that. Artificial intelligence is going to make it so that we have 20 hour work weeks or a lot of people will, or universal basic income.
That's not coming on a prairie farm, I can tell you that. No, maybe just 20 hour work days would be, yeah. Yeah.
Riley Rozendaal: But, uh, show me, show me a chat bot that can, uh, clean seed and then talk. Right. But. It'll
Nicolas Lirio: be here, but it'll, it'll [00:29:00] be last. Ain't nobody building out an AI bot that can
Kent Boucher: do that. You know what I mean?
Yeah. It'll be something like, uh, what you see in Star Wars probably, but, but it's um, you know, I think probably just an era where, and I love the time thing too that Riley mentioned where I. There's so few times where you, like, even today when we were pheasant hunting, we had a schedule to follow. Yeah. I was looking, I was checking, I was checking my clock while we were out there in the field.
Yeah. It's just, I want everyone right now who's listening into this to think of the last time, time did not matter.
Nicolas Lirio: I do that. I, I put out blocks on purpose for that, for that like, but
Kent Boucher: even still, you put it in a block so time is dictating it. You gotta follow that block. 'cause there's the next block. When is the last time you got lost?
And what it was that you were doing that time didn't matter. Yeah. There was no definitive end. There was no,
Nicolas Lirio: your physiology mattered before time did like Yeah. Whether it was sleeping or pooping or, or drinking or something. Yeah.
Kent Boucher: I mean, I mean, just, just, um, and again, we talked about this in our, uh, [00:30:00]prehistoric Prairie Two Commentary, part two commentary.
Um. I think Native Americans lived like that a lot where it was, you know, well, whatever the season Yeah. Suggests what, what, what's the bison migration look like right now? Yeah. What's the, you know, you just being so in tune with what nature has to turn into. But I also,
Nicolas Lirio: I, I, I gotta go post penicillin.
'cause the, the infant mortality pre penicillin was so terrible. It was like, we gotta have six kids so that we have at least three or four, you know? Right.
Kent Boucher: Yeah. That's the one that I think about all of the time. And I also, when you read like really, really old, um, writing, like I'm talking Bible old, the way they talked about life and death was different then.
Oh yeah. You know, like, um, I think of the story of job. Yeah. Job's supposed to be a hat and that historians believe J The book of job is like the oldest, one of the oldest, uh, [00:31:00] books in the Bible. The oldest stories in the Bible. Mm-hmm. Um. At the end, it all works out for job. Right? Because even though all of his kids died, even though all of his animals died, all that, he had more kids and he got new animals.
And it's like, yeah, but what about the old kids? Yeah. My pastor. A bummer. A bummer for him. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, but it just was a different, it was a different way, yeah. That, because I think of the things you're talking about, Nick, where it was so common for people to Yeah. Just not make it, you know,
Nicolas Lirio: the, um, yeah, that's true.
I the. But. Something interesting to job this free nugget. 'cause my computer's at 2%. So, uh, hurry. Uh, interesting about job is that at the end it says that the lord like replaced or replenished his, the things, his material, wealth and all this stuff, but he gave him more kids, like additional kids. Yeah. You know, it wasn't a replacement.
I think it's fascinating, but also the like. You got, [00:32:00] I gotta go post penicillin. I'm sorry. Yeah, I'm sorry.
Kent Boucher: I think it's, I think it's, I think it's a very fair thing. I would, I'm sure I would be dead now from different infections I've had along the way. If it wasn't, if it wasn't for that. Oh
Nicolas Lirio: man. Well, lab grown meat it's coming for modern medicine is for, is a, is
Kent Boucher: a tough Trump card to, to, to be, you know.
Nicolas Lirio: Yeah. Lab girl meets coming for a Walmart near you. We appreciate you guys and we will talk to you again next time.
