Ep. 343 (Coffee Time) How People Use Auctions To Steal Machinery and How Awns Can Kill Bird Dogs
Nicolas and Kent start this one recanting how a man tried to steal two tractors from them through their recent farm auction. Tim Brown, The Bearded Uplander, is back, and this one gets real fast. His bird dog Mac nearly died from a grass awn that migrated through his body — and it happens way more than people think. The guys break down which wild ryes are dangerous for hunting dogs, how to protect them at the tailgate, and then get into building pheasant habitat that actually works. Informative, honest, and a little terrifying if you run a bird dog.
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Kent Boucher (00:00.142)
practice round. Man, too. I was just making sure my voice still worked. I won't lie to you guys.
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (00:02.358)
Take
Nicolas Lirio (00:08.334)
You guys missed out greatly. We had 20 minutes of fantastic genuinely fantastic
Kent Boucher (00:13.998)
If you you if you call in right now for 1999
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (00:22.132)
episode.
Nicolas Lirio (00:23.534)
My phone auto connected to Hindenburg.
Kent Boucher (00:24.482)
No
Kent Boucher (00:29.792)
You know what, people who listen to our first episode ever, would have been like, it's just like the first episode again. Remember all the mic problems we had.
Nicolas Lirio (00:38.318)
No, because we we re-uploaded a different version.
Kent Boucher (00:41.966)
I know but you can find it on YouTube and it's I bet you Jimmy Spilker's been listening that long and he probably heard the OG.
Nicolas Lirio (00:51.82)
I mean, people occasionally go back to the beginning and listen to it. And I just it's just not a good life decision.
Kent Boucher (01:00.558)
So many of those early episodes, the topics were so good because we literally, we hadn't done any yet. So we could like cherry pick the coolest topics in the world.
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (01:01.998)
get away from your
Nicolas Lirio (01:12.994)
Yeah, that's true. That's true. Yeah, like the the mammoth meatballs.
Kent Boucher (01:17.25)
for the super box and Carter Niemeyer with the wolf brain introduction to the west.
Nicolas Lirio (01:24.27)
Yeah before well we hit podcasting right as it blew up But literally the difference between us and every Joe bro who had you know a microphone in their basement There was one big difference and it was that my dad continued to pay for it Honestly probably yeah a year of of no of nothing no ROI except a couple cool relationships, which is definitely worth it, but honestly
Kent Boucher (01:40.342)
True, true.
Kent Boucher (01:52.878)
Also the way you were talking with people who were looking for seed a lot of times because we were in the same.
Nicolas Lirio (02:00.024)
Well, but even then the first, the first year it didn't, those people, they didn't call, you know, till later, but you know, that's how we met Doug. It's how we had the privilege of hanging out with Howard Vincent, Bob St. Pierre, Travis Frank, you know, it was the way to be.
Kent Boucher (02:05.527)
Yeah, fair enough.
Kent Boucher (02:15.948)
And we would not be here without those people.
Nicolas Lirio (02:17.99)
literally. I don't know if we'd I mean, there's many others skips lie. Like, I don't know if we'd still be in business without them literally. But I do really want to rehash this scammer story, but we told it once, so I think we can tell it fast.
Kent Boucher (02:23.852)
Yeah, those people are.
Kent Boucher (02:30.734)
Tell it faster and probably better. know what's going happen is we're just going to do like the Cliff Notes. So then, yeah, guys showed up. Yada yada yada.
Nicolas Lirio (02:38.994)
Well, first of all, thank you everyone who bid on the auction, who went, looked for some stuff and thought that we might have stuff that you want that thank you for doing that. That was a big deal to us. We got to tell you about the scammer, this guy who tried to walk off with $6,000 worth of equipment. So what happens is this guy named Gus, calls me and right after the auction, Hey, I want two minutes. Hey, I just want two of your Alice Chalmers, one 85s.
Kent Boucher (03:05.215)
And it was an entirely online auction. So this is like kind of, you know, I'm sure it happens. You know, people call that quick, not like, not like your typical.
Nicolas Lirio (03:15.646)
good excuse. He had like when I was listening to him, was like, okay, that's reasonable. he called, Hey, my, my buddy Brad is actually in your area. I'm in Wisconsin. He has a, he has a, empty flat bed. I'd love to get them on there while he's down there. Just help me out. You know, and he was super nice guy. And I was like, okay, well, I'll see what I can do. Kent was already having a terrible day. It wasn't really going well.
Kent Boucher (03:36.366)
And he wasn't showing up immediately was showing up the
Nicolas Lirio (03:39.028)
Following day. that's right. was he. Hey, can I show?
Kent Boucher (03:41.752)
See, we're already doing it. We're cliff-nosing. We were talking about earlier. Slow down.
Nicolas Lirio (03:45.486)
And, and so I'm going back and forth with Kent and Judd trying to figure out details. Hey, is this going to work? And, I'm, I'm in Des Moines and Gus calls me like seven times literally like, he just kept calling me, kept, Hey, you know, is this going to work? Cause it's not going to work. And, I'm in Des Moines doing something for a coffee shop with my wife. And so I can't like be responsive for every second. And then, a few hours later, I get a call from Kent.
Kent Boucher (03:58.99)
Well that's right, yeah.
Nicolas Lirio (04:14.774)
and he explains what had happened that afternoon. Why don't you, why don't you fill them in? Remember Gus was going to call because
Kent Boucher (04:22.018)
Yeah, well, like you said, he also called he also called Judd. And now we had the two different names. I didn't know any of this is going on. All I knew is that a guy was was saying, hey, I want to pick up tomorrow, which is a heavy lift. Literally. Yeah, it's a heavy lift.
Nicolas Lirio (04:36.064)
Also, it's worth saying that he told Judd that his name was Max. His two different names, but that his friend Brad was going to pick this stuff up.
Kent Boucher (04:41.762)
Use two different names.
Kent Boucher (04:46.638)
Yeah. And, and so I didn't know the sketchy stuff was happening. And I think you guys were probably just starting, you and Judd were probably just starting to be like, Hmm, it's kind of weird, but there wasn't anything glaring yet. The glaring thing showed up. Well, let me just explain when you call to do a next day pickup, it's not like he was coming to get a box. You know, he was coming to get Yeah. He's getting two non-running tractors and that's key because there's only one way.
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (05:08.912)
2track
Kent Boucher (05:16.182)
or not one way, but there's only a few ways to get non-running tractors onto a trailer.
Nicolas Lirio (05:20.687)
And he did not have a giant winch.
Kent Boucher (05:22.222)
He did not have the number one way, which is a giant winch. And so it was going to be a big deal. Right. A lot of chains, a lot of pushing and pulling. And these tractors are frozen to the ground because we hit this. We had this warm up. Everything got soft and, and, uh, you know, you know, thawed out and then it got real cold again and everything froze back to the ground. So you gotta be delicate when you're doing that. Cause you can really, uh, you can really wreck stuff if you're, if you're yanking on it.
when it's frozen to the ground. So it's it's a surgery with a front loader and the front loaders got a tire that has since we last use it gone all the way down to the ground. Yeah. Sitting on the rim. you know, we don't know where all of our chains are. Everything's been moved around here recently with everything going on. So it's like, OK, yeah, tomorrow, I guess, you know, it's going to totally change our plans for the week. But you bought them. So, yep, we need to do our part and help you work with them.
So, okay, well tomorrow we'll be messing with these tractors. And I'm cleaning Golden Alexander, which every year there's a species that I have to clean that just...
It like just kills me to you. You you exhaust all your options and then you find the one thing that works and the one thing that works is you keep running it over and over and over again to get like a coffee cup worth of seed. But the seed that comes out is so pure that you can't give up. You know you can get there. You just have to keep doing it and doing it and doing it. And so I'm going through that. I'm already like not having a wonderful day and and then when Nick calls says yeah, he wants to pick up tomorrow. It's kind of like.
that does not make the week better, but OK, you know. Well, then 345 in the afternoon and I I quit early on on. Wednesdays or not, I don't quit early. I Monday through Friday. I see. Yeah, I don't leave early, but I have to leave like as close to five as possible on Wednesdays because I have a church on Wednesdays and my kids have a class.
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (07:17.047)
Monday through Friday.
Kent Boucher (07:33.166)
I got to get him to the class and I actually teach the class. And so like I don't have time to be messing around, right? This guy shows up at 3 45 to do a four hour project pre daylight savings. So I don't know what he's expecting, right? And, and uh, so he shows up and he's, um, he's like, ah, I'm ready to go. I'm here for those two tractors and he
Tells that to Riley, thankfully, I guess, that Riley dealt with him first, because I don't know what I would have done. Riley calls me, and he's like, hey, he asked me where the heavy chains are or something like that. And I'm like, what do you mean? The guy showed up to pick up those tracks. And I thought he wasn't coming tomorrow. And he's like, yeah, he's here now. So I could tell Riley's already stressed to the max.
Nicolas Lirio (08:10.702)
Give him the all su- All su-
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (08:30.794)
He's aggravated. Yeah
Kent Boucher (08:32.07)
And I know the condition of the front loader right now and I'm like, Riley, do you need help? And he's like, yeah, that'd be really good. I want to stay back here in my seed cleaning dungeon. I don't want to go out there and mess with this.
Nicolas Lirio (08:51.278)
And it was like 18 degrees. Yeah.
Kent Boucher (08:53.678)
And, and it wasn't any warmer in my dungeon either, just so you know, there's no heat back there. But, so I'm like, all right, you know, I'll come out and help you. And, the guy's just sitting there, you know, he's sitting there in his truck cab watching us work and I'm getting, you know, my, my like temper is, is it's like, it's like a thermometer right on a, on a heat wave. It's like, you know, like,
And I'm hanging out right at like bursting the thermometer point, right? I can't find anything. Tractors are frozen. It's taking forever to air up the tire on the front loader. yeah, this is broken on our big compressor. I need to fix that yet. So it's going even slower than normal. Everything that you don't want having happen is happening, right? And this guy's just sitting there watching us, you know.
working at the end of our work day to help him load these two non-running tractors. And I'm thinking to myself, if he says anything about this taking too long, I don't know what I'm going to do.
Nicolas Lirio (10:02.007)
suplex time.
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (10:03.33)
This is the point where Kent's starting to turn green.
Kent Boucher (10:06.318)
Yes, yes, I so I'm storming around looking for everything well he comes in he follows me into the shop Which first of all what are you doing in my shop? You don't belong here anyways, you're you're you You don't work here. You're you're showing up an hour early, so I'm annoyed and and So he's how long is this gonna be and I lost it I mean I blew up on him I reamed him and but I wasn't like staying there yelling at him. I'm like still looking for everything
Nicolas Lirio (10:35.495)
at the tools.
Kent Boucher (10:36.264)
Yeah, well yell in him like what is your problem? You're showing up here at 345 and there's like a true code if you're if you do blue-collar work, know, you know, you don't go showing up for a four-hour job at 345 in the afternoon. If you would have shown up at one o'clock, I still would have been annoyed, but I would not have gotten to that point, right? I would have it would have been like, all right, this sucks, but we'll get through it. But 345, I mean, you know, man, you know, this is not a you should know.
Yeah, you think. Unless you're a complete poser, which turns out. you're trying to scam someone. Right. And so I'm mad that he's violating the code. know, something you don't want to you have the brain power to know not to do this, right? And so he tries talking me, but I just, whatever, man. I'm on my, you know.
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (11:20.835)
Do you?
Kent Boucher (11:32.558)
I gotta find these chains to help you out at 3.45 in the afternoon for this job. And so he gives up on me and he goes over to Riley, cause Riley's been nicer to him so far. And he's like, hey, he seems pretty upset. I can come back on like Friday or next week or whatever. I come through here all the time. Riley's like, yeah, let's do that.
So he leaves and afterward, you know, I'm not a guy who blows up easy, right? It does happen. It's not the first time for sure. And I don't like it when it happens, but it does happen. I come by it honestly for my grandmother. And honestly, my goodness, if you could have seen some of the some of the funniest but scariest moments of my upbringing. What time grandpa set off the car alarm and McDonald's?
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (12:25.358)
you
Kent Boucher (12:31.212)
I him some names. I learned some words.
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (12:36.046)
This is second time your grandma's come up today. And it's always revolves around cussing.
Kent Boucher (12:40.91)
Yeah, she I love my grandmother though. She's one of my heroes. She's no longer living, unfortunately, but but so it does happen. Like I hate it. And I was feeling bad. In fact, I got the guy's phone number from Riley and I tried to call to apologize to him right afterwards. And he didn't answer, which I thought was interesting. And so I told Nick, as I he might say something, you know, I blew up on him. feel bad about it.
but I mean, come on, 345 showing up, load two non-running tractors, that kind of thing. so I'm like, well, you know, didn't cuss at him. I didn't call him any names. just, I just, I just yelled at him.
Nicolas Lirio (13:16.458)
Well...
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (13:25.646)
You're a better man than me. You're a better man than me.
Nicolas Lirio (13:28.91)
Well, so so you know, we've we've literally 100 items that we're getting picked up, right? And so we kind of forget about them in the shuffle about a week and a half afterwards. The the front desk lady of the auction house calls and hey, yeah, so got everybody's payment. Everything's good. This one guy just have you let anything go? And I was like, well, this item picked up this item picked up. But she's like, well, what about these items? I was like, no.
I don't know. Kind of funny story. Gus is his name, blah, blah. And, and, but he did, he did call himself max one time on the phone with my coworker and she was like, I think I know who this is. This guy got as max got blacklisted on our, from our auction house because he does this. He sends a paid ACH or an ACH check that he knows will bounce in three days. Right? So he's got a day or two to pick that stuff up.
And then he's gone and nobody's getting paid and that equipment's nowhere to be found. Um, and I don't know if he parts them out or whatever. Um, it just, his entrepreneurial spirit is strong and he, uh, he, uh,
Kent Boucher (14:35.355)
Don't give him that much credit.
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (14:38.776)
I was gonna say, yeah, he's still trash.
Nicolas Lirio (14:41.046)
Well, it's just interesting because it's like, just auction houses. There's a lot of, mean, there's a ton of logistics that go into auction houses a lot of times because someone passed away and basically the guy see saw the chaos and was like, I could get away with some stuff and all that chaos that's going on. very frustrating. But turns out his getting yelled at was worth it. Just for you just yelled at him for the wrong stuff.
Kent Boucher (15:09.102)
Well, I do think that he sensed that, my guess is a lot of times everything goes hunky dory for him, right? And he doesn't face much friction. But I think the amount of friction, and he saw not only that, hey, these guys don't like me, but also...
this is going to take a while to get, like this isn't just gonna be a quick in and out deal. Like I imagine a lot of times the stuff he gets is running. So he's just driving onto the trailer. And he saw the hassle that it was gonna take too long to get a clean ghetto.
Nicolas Lirio (15:47.022)
or maybe even take too long to deal with it when he got back if it wasn't running.
Kent Boucher (15:50.7)
Right. Or maybe I'm crazy enough to find him after. have to. Yeah. It was just I think there was enough of a storm there. He between all of that, that he he never showed back up. Heard from him ever again, did he? No. The real here. Yeah, yeah.
Nicolas Lirio (16:05.132)
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Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (16:14.004)
It does.
Kent Boucher (16:14.446)
Yeah
Nicolas Lirio (16:34.018)
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Kent Boucher (16:57.826)
You got bad ass.
Nicolas Lirio (17:01.784)
coffee time Wednesdays with the Prairie
Kent Boucher (17:06.839)
Doot doot doot.
Nicolas Lirio (17:13.836)
Welcome back to the Prairie Farm podcast coffee time Wednesday. I'm your favorite host, Nicholas Lirio. I was told to say this slower. Your favorite host, Nicholas Lirio told you that my, no, my sister, she was listening. She's like, I can't even understand your intro. You just say it so much and a favorite cohost, Ken voucher. he is not as angry as he sounded during that story. You know, it's kind of funny actually about Ken.
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (17:24.204)
his head.
Kent Boucher (17:34.253)
Hey.
Kent Boucher (17:40.225)
I'm right now.
Nicolas Lirio (17:43.328)
his emotions, if he starts telling a story where he had strong emotions, good or bad, he like falls into those emotions. They like are still inside of him. They'll follow him and then he'll be done telling the story. And he's right back to where he was before. He's like right out. Yep. And guest, man, have you ever heard of dungeon crawler Carl?
Kent Boucher (17:55.619)
Makes for a good story. That's truth with inflection.
Kent Boucher (18:09.036)
I that that sounds for whatever reason that sounds familiar, but I'm not sure.
Kent Boucher (18:18.53)
But you probably told me about it. That's why it's a problem.
Nicolas Lirio (18:21.23)
It is blowing up right now.
Kent Boucher (18:22.878)
It sounded like an anime story so then I just started to zone out. Like my attention was building into it and then it's like, ooh, Dungeon Crawler. Yeah, that's kind of anime sounding. My attention just drifted.
Nicolas Lirio (18:35.102)
It basically is, it basically is anime and you wouldn't believe how many middle-aged women are reading this book series for young people.
Kent Boucher (18:42.509)
When really?
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (18:43.264)
It is smut then is that what Isn't that what they all read?
Kent Boucher (18:45.696)
no, now what I'm- I don't know. I don't wanna know. I don't think he's far off. man. Yuck. White pig. Yuck.
Nicolas Lirio (18:49.555)
I don't know, Tim.
Hahaha
Nicolas Lirio (18:58.286)
Co-host to the co-host and friend of the pod and guest co-host Tim Brown, the bearded up lender.
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (19:08.98)
Hey guys, thanks. I feel pretty special that I'm now called co-host to the co-host.
Nicolas Lirio (19:13.824)
Yeah, so close
Kent Boucher (19:15.739)
That is kind of a Dwight title.
Nicolas Lirio (19:19.054)
I think that's why we first named it is because I named Peyton that.
Kent Boucher (19:24.14)
I think my favorite Dwight role is when he was the, was he, he was like the volunteer cop or whatever and he was investigating the, the, the doobie. the America. yeah.
Nicolas Lirio (19:38.478)
Man. Oh man, what a great show. Yes, man, Tim. How's it going?
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (19:45.336)
Good. How are you guys doing? right. Just dropping good.
Kent Boucher (19:48.879)
to lift arm off the tractor. that's good. I was there do the rest of the day.
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (19:53.006)
I was there for that, that was nice.
Nicolas Lirio (19:55.485)
man, that'll we're burning some fields. We shouldn't say we I won't be.
Kent Boucher (19:59.54)
I hope we are. I mean, I gotta get that lift arm back on pronto after this.
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (20:04.334)
Yeah, I didn't know that that's what you know when you gave me the title of co-host of the co-host that I was gonna have to you know help
Nicolas Lirio (20:11.566)
Yeah, yeah for free no no fire
Kent Boucher (20:15.105)
Yeah.
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (20:15.47)
Kindness at your heart.
Nicolas Lirio (20:17.646)
Yeah, dude. Well, I was saying this last time, but our audience, who knows how much they overlap? My guess is it's less than 20%, but maybe they do. But my guess is most of our audience didn't follow along with your venture. And the reason we had you on, part of it was because this is a much more common issue than people think.
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (20:41.186)
than we thought. mean, we talked about it last time we were here and we were like, it's an issue, but it's not. And then it happens to me and the amount of response that I got, that's when I called you guys and I'm like, this is something that's way more serious than I thought.
Nicolas Lirio (20:56.546)
So filament, so it was your dog Mac.
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (20:58.862)
Yep, Mac, we were here hunting this last fall and they get pretty tore up throughout the whole season. So it wasn't like it's a crazy thing for them to be really wore down at the end of the year. But towards the end of the season, he he had a scratch on his chest, which is a usual thing to it's not like it's out of the norm for me. He hunted. Yeah, it was 114 this year for me. And I mean, I walked.
Kent Boucher (21:22.222)
How many days a year do you
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (21:27.786)
over 1000 miles. And if I'm walking 1000 miles, he's running, you know, five 6000 miles, Yeah, you know, that's that's he only goes half the time. So I got two dogs. So he runs, you know, part of the usually, usually, I'll do them two at a time if I'm by myself or like,
Nicolas Lirio (21:40.416)
One at a
Kent Boucher (21:45.56)
Well, mean, think of, he's just said they're doing five times as much as he is. So if he wants to get in a, I mean, that big day that we did with Travis, I think we were right around 10 miles that day.
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (21:58.274)
Yeah, and I'll guarantee I'll guarantee Daisy what she run. Did he say?
Kent Boucher (22:03.242)
I think it was, yeah, it was, it was crazy. so you, know, he, if he wants to get a full day out, he can't have his dogs going.
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (22:04.398)
It had to be close to 60 miles.
Nicolas Lirio (22:13.25)
Yeah, that makes sense.
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (22:14.338)
I mean, it's a blessing and a curse, know, there's, there's days that you limit out real early. the, walk short, but you also just, you know, the rest of your day is gone, you know, so you don't, so I just, usually run one dog at a time and
Nicolas Lirio (22:29.674)
understand limits not like like intellectually but do they kind of understand okay we bag three birds we're probably headed back to the car okay
Kent Boucher (22:37.262)
It's take a little while to find number three here.
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (22:42.094)
That's funny. They bring it back, put it in your hand and they're off again. It's all a numbers thing to them. They don't care. Interesting. They're just machines really.
Nicolas Lirio (22:51.768)
Sorry, but so the end of the season.
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (22:54.186)
Season he's he's wore out and you know, it was like the 10th or 12th or something like that I can't remember the exact date but he got real lethargic and just was not acting right so if there's one thing that anybody takes away from this it's Watch your dog read your dog's mannerisms, you know that dog I mean if especially if they're a house dog, you know exactly how that dog Reacts at any moment of the day. And if something's off pay attention call your vet
get ahold of them and try to figure it out and walk through it. Right. So he was just acting weird. We thought maybe it was, you know, he might've got an infection from that scratch on his shoulder. And, I took him to the vet. He gave him some antibiotics and gave him some pain meds because he was shaken pretty bad. And that's a pretty good sign of, of there's something going on. So go home. And that was on a Friday, go home. And the next morning we get up and he can't.
jump up in the bed. He can't jump off the bed. I touch him. He can't, he won't allow me to touch him, which is way weird for him. And I called the vet and I said, we got it. I got to have you look at him again. There's something seriously wrong. So we took him down there, gave him some fluids and stuff. Cause he didn't eat, didn't hardly drink anything. Gave him some fluids, did an x-ray. There was nothing on the inside that we were worried about. Like his heart was fine. His lungs were fine. Everything was good on the inside.
And he looked at me, he's like, I would seriously go to the emergency vet because I can't, I don't have the staff to look over him overnight, you know? And so we loaded up and him and I went up to, Mack and I went up to the emergency vet in Sioux Falls. He was there for three and a half days. I thought I was going to lose him on the way up there, but just because of how he was just, there was no react or there was no.
like the life was coming out of him. know what I mean? So I got him up there. He perked up a little bit. They messed with him a little bit and they're like, it might be meningitis. So, and it's all an infection thing. So they were treating it.
Kent Boucher (25:00.654)
Could that have then been contagious to you if you had meningitis?
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (25:04.429)
or not.
Kent Boucher (25:07.822)
Like snails carry meningitis. That can go from the snail to a human.
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (25:17.516)
It might not have been meninge. No, it was, it was. So it may, maybe, but it, in hindsight, it wasn't that. Because the way he was reacting and it was in a, you know, in his back and in his, in his shoulder and that it may have been that they just weren't sure. But like legitimately there was no vet that really hadn't even thought about it being a foreign body in his body. There's, and that's one thing that I've learned of this whole thing is there's a lot of vets that don't know about.
Kent Boucher (25:25.262)
All right, yeah.
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (25:47.342)
us, which is surprising because I had 500 plus messages from people that were going through the exact same thing that I was going through. Didn't have any answers. They would cut the dog open. The vets would cut the dog open to see what was in there and then so them back shut. then it's 50, 50 kind of thing. You know, it's like, well, there's gotta be something better than this. So bird dog doc, Joe, gosh dang it. Spoo is his name. He's a vet up and,
Falls sent me a message on Instagram and he's like, I want to call you. want to let's figure out what's wrong with your dog. And he talked me off a few ledges. You know how it is when you know you're looking at your own health and you know, you're Googling everything. Don't do that. Don't do it for your dog. Don't do it for you.
Kent Boucher (26:36.522)
Things start spiraling
Nicolas Lirio (26:39.734)
dog shaking really bad you probably have cancer yeah
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (26:42.574)
It's not just your dog, but you and your whole family have cancer.
Kent Boucher (26:47.534)
And you also probably also have dementia so even though you think this isn't This isn't this isn't a proper diagnosis. It's because your dementia says is telling you that oh, man
Nicolas Lirio (26:59.086)
Yeah, that would work. People would spiral on that.
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (27:02.11)
So he tells me that it's the way his symptoms are. He says it's a, it's a grass seed or an on of some kind. A W N that's what it is until I can prove that it's not. So that put me at a little more at ease, but he was still in pretty bad shape up there. They were giving me the emergency vet people were great because they were giving me updates. Three hours every day, every three hours they were giving me.
Kent Boucher (27:10.114)
AW.
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (27:30.902)
And it was good. he got better on Monday and they're like, you need to come get him because he's raring to go. He's like bothering everybody to pet him and howling and the thing. So he was considerably better than what he was. So they put him on prednisone and they put them on an antibiotic. So with steroids and antibiotics, Joe said that we didn't want to wean him off both of them at the same time, because then we're back to square one. If something comes back up.
So had to wean him off the steroid. And if you've ever been on a steroid, that is a process. It's a long time. And then he wanted to keep him on the antibiotic for extra to, if there was something, it would take care of it. Well, while this is all happening, and I was going back up for regular checkups with him to make sure that everything was kosher. And while that was happening, he got a sore on his side and it abs like an abscessed. And then there was a little thing poking out on the end.
And I messed with it and it popped out and it was, I don't know, it probably this big, like the size of a, like a wild rice seed. And it looked like it was encapsulated. sent him a picture. sent Joe a picture and I could not break that thing open for the life of me. So it, we think that from that scratch, whatever that was had broke off on the end and migrated over his shoulder on his back. And then it just festered out his side. Cause he's back to.
100 % norlorn. A thorn or like, you know, cause we have those, dang it. are they? they hack or honey orcas trees? know, I know for a fact, we hunted a spot that had those the last week. So he could have, but who knows? I mean, it could have been anything really. Yeah. We don't have a ton of that up there, but it was something.
Kent Boucher (29:08.481)
this honey look is...
Kent Boucher (29:25.026)
Okay.
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (29:27.564)
We don't exactly know what it was. It could have been a seed too. You know, it just, the way that those seeds work, you know, while Canada wild rye, it's got that on on it, that little. Yeah. And it just directs towards the soil and goes in. Well, if you've got a dog that's got long hair, you need to tailgate check every time you go out hunting, you need to comb them out. Take a comb with you, comb them all out. So there's no seeds in their fur because that's how it starts. It'll get, I mean,
Kent Boucher (29:37.326)
directed towards the soil.
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (29:56.174)
Honestly, that's the way it happened back when the prairie was going. It got into the bison and then somehow it fell out of the bison's fur and got put into the ground. That's how all that stuff works.
Nicolas Lirio (30:08.59)
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Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (30:51.648)
And so, you know, and with the short hair, I learned that a German short hair, they have a, it go, usually goes in their nose or their mouth, and then it gets in their lungs. And that's usually where a short hair has the problem. Cause they don't really have that long hair for it to stick. But you know, if I can tell anybody, anything is when you get back to the tailgate, check your dog's eyes, make sure that you've got a kit that has all of the things to.
you know, if you get any saline solution to wash the seeds out of their eyes, because my dogs get seeds in their eyes a lot. So he's just, just the regular saline solution and just spray them out every time. do you know
Nicolas Lirio (31:32.43)
So I've had this question a bunch and I've heard mixed answers from people. Can a wild dry is kind of the wild dry. That's the boogeyman. Virginia wild dry has a totally different shaped seed. Is that still kind of a co and then of course there's silky wild dry, which silky wild drive might be worse than.
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (31:50.062)
Silky wild rye is the number one, but bad, bad, bad one. Canada wild rye is for sure. Virginia is probably fine, but if it says wild rye and there's guys that are bird hunting, they just don't. They don't even go around. Like Joe has had it happen to his dogs and he's like, if I see Canada wild rye in any field that I go look at, he goes, I turn around, I don't even go in.
Nicolas Lirio (32:09.966)
Interesting.
Kent Boucher (32:12.27)
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (32:13.23)
And you know, a lot of people on my stuff on, on social media have said, well, candle wild rise, a native seed. I agree 100 % and it has its place for sure. But if we're going to, and I'm not calling anybody out, but if we're going to have a seed mix and we're going to sell it to people that bird hunt, we, think we have a moral obligation to take that seed out of it. Because like,
Nicolas Lirio (32:40.302)
or at least let them know what.
Kent Boucher (32:43.294)
Understand the trade-off. If you're going to hunt this, then just know that that's a risk.
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (32:48.11)
That's a risk. And it definitely has its place. There's no doubt about it. it should be like if you're doing it for bird hunting and there's a suitable replacement for your whatever, your area, it would be a good idea.
Nicolas Lirio (33:03.564)
Well, shady areas. I mean, you have a couple options. You can either have wild rye or you can pay. Judd and I were just running into this issue the other day. You can pay double, you know, because your replacement for shady areas. Yeah. A little bluestem can handle it a little bit. I've seen Indian grass handle a little bit, but your real replacements like Arctic Brom and sedges. and so yeah, you know, and Arctic Brom is also,
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (33:28.788)
And those are expensive.
Nicolas Lirio (33:33.186)
put it right up there with sedges. And so that becomes kind of a hurdle now for some people doesn't matter. But in the open, the open areas, if you want a tall grass cover, and we talked about this last time you're in the pod, you'd have like any grass, big blue stems, which grass and you can mix some other stuff in there. But what if you're wanting a shorter grass area? What short grasses do well for bird hunting?
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (33:57.398)
It just depends on where you're at, you know, because they always mix in little bluestem too with with most CRP mixes, you know, I mean, I've heard you
Kent Boucher (34:07.758)
to listen some of the drop seeds
Nicolas Lirio (34:10.1)
But I don't know where birds hang out in there.
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (34:10.498)
Yeah. yeah. Really? They would be good, really good nesting cover, I would think, you know, cause that's like what we were talking about before. You've got like, it's not just one season that you're trying to accomplish on your tall grass, right? Like you want the winter stuff, which I mean, this is how I was thinking about it the last few weeks, like out in, you know, when, when everything was untouched in Iowa.
You had those patches that would be like the switchgrass patch was over here and you'd have the big, you know, it was like they had their own little like ecosystems and.
Kent Boucher (34:44.939)
microclimate. Yes, yes.
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (34:47.214)
And I would think that, you know, that's kind of what you want your stuff to look like if you're, you know, making a prairie for prime habitat for the upland birds, which pheasants are weird. They can adapt to a lot of things. But like if you were, you know, saying you had 20, let's say we had 25 miles of untouched prairie in Iowa, it would be that, that micro
habitats all over the place. And that would be, I'm sure there would be a lot more prairie chickens here. You know, so.
Nicolas Lirio (35:20.032)
Interesting. So, I mean, one of the things that, and we've talked about this before is like, you kind of split it into three things. You've got your nesting pollinator area, you've got your winter cover, and then you've got your food plot and you and food in terms of food plot, you mostly deal with sorghum.
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (35:38.03)
Like, yeah, if we're going to put, if we're going to put a food plot in, we're going to put the sorghum in. I was looking over your guys's native food plot. The only thing that I worry about having just the, the, the native food plot in is if you put it somewhere that is susceptible to, you know, like drifting, like up in my neck of the woods, you got a lot of drifting in our area because it's all wide open. So if that drift shot.
There's really, there's no way that they're going to get that food anyway, right?
Nicolas Lirio (36:11.31)
Interesting. So you're saying the sorghum, it keeps its structure long enough that they're able to pull off it.
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (36:17.038)
And they don't even pull off it. I mean, the wind blows and that sorghum will drop down underneath the bottom cover to where they can, you know, because it kind of it would remind you of. Really, it reminds you, I mean, I think it looks like a short cat tail, you know, kind of thing on the bottom where the birds can get underneath it and move really easily. The leaves make a canopy of the snow while those those seeds drop down through and they're on the ground so the birds can pick that up.
underneath the cover. So it's like a double, you know, because the thing that I don't want my birds to do on our property that we're doing this on is to go out into the open cornfields when there's a ton of snow on the ground and they got to dig for their food. And then the hawks and eagles are, it's just open. It's just open season for them, you know.
Nicolas Lirio (37:08.462)
Interesting. What? Okay. I wanted to ask you this last time and we didn't get around to it. You've got five acres on someone's land, but they only allow you to put in cover or kind of a nesting perennial food plot or a standardized sorghum food plot. Um, and they want to hunt it. What would you, what would you have them put in?
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (37:30.584)
So do they have any cover around?
Nicolas Lirio (37:34.424)
Good question. No, not much, just ditches.
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (37:36.918)
just ditches. But it's all cropped round around. I'm putting winter cover in there. I'm putting tall grass in. I mean, there's honestly food all over that crop field. And pheasants love corn. I mean, it's a no-brainer.
Nicolas Lirio (37:41.187)
Cropground around.
Nicolas Lirio (37:45.326)
So is
Nicolas Lirio (37:53.73)
Yeah, they just have to survive the hawks and
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (37:55.726)
Yeah. Yeah. And they, I mean, they do a pretty good job, but if you could do something to where they have to use minimal effort in the, the harshest time of the year, which is, you know, January, February and right now, I mean, this year or not, I mean, it's going to be 90 degrees tomorrow, but like this time of year is when it's really volatile and they get, you know, there's a chance we can still get, you know, 15 inches of snow or something like that. That's just crazy. Right. So we can get them healthy to go into spring.
Especially the hens, I don't really care about the roosters that much. The hens, if we can keep them healthy all through the winter and get them into spring, they're going to lay more eggs. That's just a proven fact that they'll lay their maximum amount of eggs that they can. If she's healthy coming into nesting season, it's the best option that we can have. And that you need them to use less energy, you need them to have really good cover so they can survive and you need food.
Nicolas Lirio (38:40.878)
Interesting.
Kent Boucher (38:55.778)
Yeah, we have a podcast coming out with Thomas Mills soon. And he talked about how he still uses a forage food plot, even though there's not a guy I know who their job is, is wildlife habitat consulting and implementation and specifically tailored to deer. There's not a person who
does that for their full-time job, who does a more native plant-oriented method of doing that than Thomas, that I know of. There's tons of guys who own ground that they have very much shown it, but I mean, this is his thing. This is how he pays his bills, is getting on other people's properties and helping them implement these strategies. And he still does,
use a forage crop like, I mean, for birds, yeah, sorghum is one of the most popular. But he'd put in a clover or a brassica or maybe even a standing soybean, standing corn plot. me personally, I can be okay with that. I can say, yeah, I'd love to see Iowa.
as she was. Right. And that would be great. And that those plants supported the animals that belonged here for millennia and did it just fine. And they did it just fine without sorghum. They did it just fine without number two yellow corn. They did it just fine with, I mean, you on and on down, down the list. And, but
Nicolas Lirio (40:42.126)
Number two yellow.
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (40:43.552)
or
Kent Boucher (40:48.942)
There is no denying that there is an advantage to having a forage crop available to wildlife from a hunting standpoint for one, right? It pulls them in. that's, know, then there's the whole debate, especially in the deer hunting world, well, what's the difference between baiting and having a stand-up?
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (41:01.507)
close.
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (41:08.142)
It's the same in that world too. Waterfall's getting horrible with it right now too.
Kent Boucher (41:14.478)
so I mean, there's that's not what we're ahead of. I can't I can't. Yeah, there's other things that benefit from it for sure. there's
Nicolas Lirio (41:17.56)
Good for the population as well.
Nicolas Lirio (41:22.85)
of raccoons. We basically put food plots out there.
Kent Boucher (41:25.24)
Anywhere I have a problem with food plotting is when you don't, when it becomes, even if the ratio is too high of, yeah, I got some prairie over here or some healthy timber over here or some healthy wetland habitat over here. But I also have an equal amount of food plot. I don't like that. I think it should be overwhelmingly in the favor of the native habitat cover. And then it's accented.
With a food plot to me that makes sense. That's that's that's totally reasonable. Your your property is offered the ecological utility of of so much more than the especially here in Iowa than the average property around it and having a little you know, one to five acre food plot in the midst of you know, 20 acres or 50 acres or 100 acres of of good quality habitat. You've got the carrying capacity there to to to
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (42:22.638)
keep these populations I'm glad you said carrying capacity. That's the other thing that is a giant factor that nobody really thinks about, especially for upland birds like pheasants. You're putting, let's say, let's just use this farm that we're using, for example. We got 20 acres of CRP that we're putting in this spring, and it's got a crick line going down through. So there's probably four acres of, and I hate to say it because it's the one that we hate. It's the-
Nicolas Lirio (42:52.398)
Canary.
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (42:52.886)
That's it. Yeah. And I just hate it. But there's no way because it's so wet down there, can't like literally can't put anything down there. It's really good early season pheasant. It's really good. But when it gets to the end of the season, it's just garbage.
Kent Boucher (43:06.414)
It's terrible for deer hunting too because it lets every deer in the woods know you're there. No
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (43:11.214)
Oh yeah, and it just it doesn't lay right. It's just it's horrible stuff, but so we got 20 acres. That's the only cover. In that whole section of ground, so you're thinking the carrying capacity. So if we did just native food plot, you know you gotta think you're gonna. How many acres of native food plot would you need? To support anywhere from 50 to 150 pheasants.
in that 20 acres, it would be what half of that probably to support that many birds I would think. But the good thing is the pollinator habitat, I mean those seeds that are in there are already in our pollinator. So they've got that option to eat that on the ground too, which I'll guarantee they do, you know, but it's just making sure they got enough food to get through the whole thing.
Nicolas Lirio (44:03.694)
So if it's half, you gotta put half of it in native perennial food plot to have enough for a hundred birds. How much do you have to put in a food plot for them to have enough calories?
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (44:15.95)
there was, we have a strip of corn that go that, that we leave standing up and it goes down the creek, which it might be total might be an acre and a half. there's half of that corn still on there.
Nicolas Lirio (44:26.318)
Okay. So you're saying like 10 % or less. Probably. Yeah. In terms of, to, of easy calories. Yeah. Yeah. That
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (44:33.792)
And you know, honestly, that that bird's gonna, you know, they're a scratching and pick off the ground kind of bird anyway. They don't have to search through the grass and that pick cornfield over there. They can just walk along and there's one, you know, and no, there's one. They don't have anything like hampering their, you know, sight. They can see it all. Yeah. So they're going to go to that cornfield and eat anyway. But it's when they're like on the days that they have to sit in the cover, you know, they're going to pick at the seeds that are there if there is any. But.
The sorghum kind of doubles as cover and a food source.
Kent Boucher (45:08.494)
Yeah, and I do like sorghum over corn. You know, our friend Doug likes to say food plots are bringing sand to the beach in the Midwest. There's a true, there's a very real aspect there.
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (45:22.764)
Yep. Yep. And then, you know, that we put it along the creek too. And, and what cover was, what covers there? mean, there wasn't a ton of, of cover there already. And I mean, the last week into the season, what would have been January 1st, we 47 hens we kicked out of there and there's no CRP grass there yet. I can't even imagine what the numbers are going to be when that prayer gets established and they can actually raise their young there. They can.
they've got the winner cover along the creek then i mean i would have to see other
Kent Boucher (45:54.222)
Part of it too is your enhancing ground that's not already in native cover. Sometimes I've seen that before. Someone's like, yeah, I this little edge the farmer let me sprayed and I'm looking at the plants that are there. like, those are all native plants that you're killing to put in your corn. You know what I mean? It's like, that's where I would not be in favor of a food pot. But in this case, you're replacing reed canary grass or whatever else.
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (46:18.154)
Yeah, well, and where our food plot is, it's an old, I don't know what was in there. It was like a hog lot or something like that. But it's a hillside and it's really sandy and even like the foxtail doesn't even like to grow in it. So it's like, we put that to the sorghum and it does pretty well in there.
Kent Boucher (46:37.272)
Yeah, yeah, that to me makes sense.
Nicolas Lirio (46:39.598)
My dad always had food plots on the farm. Less so the last few years just because he was busy for, but he always had a couple spots for pheasants and he always had a couple spots for deer. Whether he just left beans that he wasn't going to or I guess he did. Well, we planted two hips and radishes one year. We got a mix of that. And back when I was a kid and we did corn, he would always leave a couple spots of corn for the pheasants. More than anything,
Kent Boucher (46:59.022)
Yeah, we did.
Nicolas Lirio (47:08.99)
he just wanted them around. And even though we had all this cover, he knew that they were going to have a better chance of survival. And like I was saying earlier, it's, it's like raccoons, you know, they explode in population because we, unintentionally create all these food plots for them.
Kent Boucher (47:24.278)
You know, and the plots at the end of the drive was in the
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (47:28.558)
So that's a whole nother thing. Like the reason that everybody hates raccoons and skunks and possums is because they eat the nest, right? The only reason that those animals are eating those nests now and those eggs is because they can walk down that creek. That's the only cover that them birds have. So it's really easy for that raccoon to just walk down that creek and pick off every nest. If you've got 20 acres of CRP there,
They're not going through that CRP because that's not how a raccoon works. They're keying on the stuff that's close to the water because that's where they like to live or close to the timber where the hollow trees are that they live.
Kent Boucher (47:59.694)
Yeah.
Kent Boucher (48:07.938)
Yeah, when there's just that tiny bit of it's.
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (48:10.254)
It's all habitat, It's all it is. It's all habitat.
Kent Boucher (48:14.22)
I've heard that's another reason to not only leave it to just the creek bottoms because bigger predators like coyotes, they just use that as a drag strip.
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (48:24.078)
And that's the same with raccoons. It's the same with all of them. And that's why our turkey population or our quail population is going downhill because the quail only have that brushy fence run. And that's easy pickings for them nest predators to go down. It's not because of how many raccoons there are. I don't think that that has as much bearing as they can only nest in one spot. And it's the corridor that those animals use.
Kent Boucher (48:26.51)
They go right on down there and real quick.
Kent Boucher (48:51.604)
I'm sure the number of raccoons is a factor, but the point that you're making is very true where you make it easy for those.
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (48:58.028)
Yeah. Yeah, you're you're making it. Yeah, you're making it a more right down that row, you know.
Kent Boucher (49:02.06)
makes more raccoons.
Nicolas Lirio (49:06.946)
Man, well, I've learned a ton on this coffee time. So half the reason we had to do it.
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (49:13.496)
We wanted to talk about the weed seeds and now we're talking about Habitat
Kent Boucher (49:18.862)
don't even know how you figured it out that the first time we were recording.
Nicolas Lirio (49:22.574)
I check mid. I was checked it. I looked down and I was like, Oh, that is not what that sound is supposed to look like on the computer screen. Yeah. Um, so for anyone who sees me on YouTube, just randomly looking under the table, I'm looking at my toe fun.
Kent Boucher (49:34.798)
He's looking at his toe fungus.
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (49:37.272)
Yeah, hey, let's talk about socks, by the way.
Kent Boucher (49:39.598)
No. No. It's disturbing.
Nicolas Lirio (49:39.756)
You wanna see?
Nicolas Lirio (49:45.441)
Here's the deal, dude. I went on a big old run last night and I got home and I took off the socks and I said, babe, smell these socks. She smelled them. She's like, wow, those. And after I went on the run,
Kent Boucher (49:56.158)
I like that
Nicolas Lirio (50:07.574)
So I got done with the run. sat down, I edited or I uploaded the podcast that dropped, for Eddie Andrews. And then, so I'd been sitting in these.
Kent Boucher (50:18.058)
Normalizing your five-figure socks. They just aren't normal. Okay, you can just say look. I'm a weirdo I like these socks and that woke up
Nicolas Lirio (50:25.422)
It is weird, but so is having prairie on your landscape. I'm just trying to.
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (50:34.296)
That's a stretch. With the sweaters you wear though, those socks seem kind of normal.
Nicolas Lirio (50:35.79)
The sweat
Well, sweaters, plural is kind of a stretch. I do. I have two sweaters and then I've got a sweater. That's my wife's that I wear a lot, but it's comfy. She's good at picking out comfy clothes. We really appreciate part of the reason I had you out here is we from last time we talked, I had a list of questions I needed to ask you about birds that people ask me that I don't know the answer to. And and then you started
Wanting to provide sorghum. And I pushed back. I pushed back at Tim a little bit. was like, I don't know, you know, and we really like the native food plot. But what really sold me on the idea of food and I've never been totally anti food plot. I just think there are.
Kent Boucher (51:24.664)
Orange Crop
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (51:26.136)
Forge crop like no and honestly if as a
Nicolas Lirio (51:29.016)
Puzzle kill plot is that the idea?
Kent Boucher (51:30.922)
like you're like a forage species that's grown for food production.
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (51:34.57)
Yeah, yeah, it's an annual or something like that, right? Yeah, but I honestly going through your guys's your guys's native food plot thing. The only thing that I would take out would be that wild, right? Because I'm a bird hunter. But like legitimately, an acre of that in any place would it's going to benefit. You just got to know where to put it on your property. Because it's more of the it's more of the the flowering and stuff like that, you know, it's more of that stuff. So.
Kent Boucher (51:39.511)
It's a crop.
Nicolas Lirio (51:55.561)
Interesting. Well, we
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (52:03.306)
That stuff's usually not, that's just usually not thick either, right? It's not a real thick dent and it's gonna attract all that snow.
Nicolas Lirio (52:11.23)
If you're wanting some native bird dog mixes, we've had them on our website before and we'll have them again starting in April. We're actually in the middle of a website overhaul. We don't do food plots on our website at all. We don't. I don't, I don't, I just don't want to mess with them. It's somebody else's world. There's somebody else who knows a lot about them. Turns out that guy is hanging out with us right now. So, so if you're wanting some sorghum, where would they, where are they even?
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (52:40.27)
Thebeardeduplannercompany.com is my website and we're gonna have it on.
Nicolas Lirio (52:45.038)
The Bearded Uplander Co. or Co.
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (52:47.458)
Company company. You just honestly just punch in bearded up lander on Google and it's going to be the first one. Now I think I'm I think I got that one in the bag. I think I got that one.
Nicolas Lirio (52:53.07)
lot of bearded up lenders.
Nicolas Lirio (52:58.622)
And if they're wanting to follow you, he does have, I've been shocked how good your content is. Not because I thought it would be bad, but it was even a step above that. I'll tell you what, Tim, look at my Instagram. I hardly follow anybody. And I don't follow you on Instagram. I follow you on Facebook. And I, I don't do that with people. I think you have fantastic, fantastic content. I like to.
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (53:23.374)
Appreciate it.
Kent Boucher (53:25.762)
Follow anybody.
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (53:26.498)
You guys are killing it though on yours too. It's great. People need to pay attention to all of it. He kind of did. That kind of hurt.
Kent Boucher (53:31.298)
I'm following Tim on Instagram
Nicolas Lirio (53:34.286)
I don't know. don't follow. I mean, look at my answer. I follow like 72 people. I'm sorry.
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (53:40.078)
72 people and they're all anime. Anime and 510 sock companies?
Kent Boucher (53:47.232)
Since it's anime, half of them are actually cartoon figures. They aren't even real people. They're like, he's following cartoon characters.
Nicolas Lirio (53:54.818)
You guys want to hear something crazy about data analytics and then Ken's got to fix this tractor outside Verizon. If you have Verizon internet and you search up trade in your phones, if you go to T-Mobile first or, or AT &T first and look at their rates, then you go to Verizon. Verizon shows you a different website with higher rates. That's how intensely they track all of their data. If you have
their wifi and to the point that they're really particular in what kind of ads that they're showing you, but they get, they get into your stuff. Wow. You know what I mean? And it does matter. So if you have a good friend that works at Verizon, they know the hacks. Ask them the hacks on how do I get a better price for this? Cause literally if you have a Verizon phone and they see you've called AT &T and T-Mobile numbers recently, they, the next time you connect with them, it dings on the salesperson's like,
info place and it says like offer them a really good deal. Like keep them around.
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (54:57.39)
Before you're going to get a new phone, just Google everything.
Nicolas Lirio (55:00.492)
Well, I think it changes like they're always changing stuff. So my friend was like, always call me before you do anything, you know, with, getting a new phone or anything.
Tim Brown (Bearded Uplander) (55:11.576)
can't. So all we got to do is call Nicholas to have him call.
Nicolas Lirio (55:16.79)
I'm gonna start charging you guys for-
Nicolas Lirio (55:22.574)
I really appreciate all of you listening. Hey, don't forget we've got a forum coming out, the Prairie Farm Forum, where we're to have conversations about things like bird hunting, but specifically, what does it take to have native prairie identification? You can ask your questions about how do we grow better prairies, how to preserve better prairies, and maybe even a map of all the public prairies available and pictures that can be linked to that. So we're really excited about it.
Kent Boucher (55:42.038)
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Nicolas Lirio (55:48.546)
Check it out in, it'll be in April. I believe the first week of April that'll all be going live. It'll be, it'll still be either the prairieform.com or hawksandaveseeds.com. Stay tuned for that, but we appreciate you and we'll talk to you again next time.
