Nicolas Lirio (00:01.418) Well, well. All right, everybody, if you're listening to this, there is a reel right now on social media where you can vote. You can vote with your comment and your words on whether these pockets right here. Look fine or not. Riley Rozendaal (00:04.174) We'll Kent Boucher (00:21.358) They suck. Nicolas Lirio (00:23.086) Alright, so I gotta tell you guys a story. real, there's a real. Go and vote. Say either Kent and Kent's right, they look terrible or... Kent Boucher (00:29.92) And it's not a functionality question. Sure, think they probably... They are very functional. They probably reinforced a weakness in your genes. But... They did also create a new weakness in your genes, which is in the aesthetic appeal. Nicolas Lirio (00:34.434) They are probably. Nicolas Lirio (00:39.979) Don't talk about the weakness of my- Stop it! Nicolas Lirio (00:51.532) No, no. Here's my defense is that it looks more, Kent Boucher (00:56.688) Beggary hobo-y Nicolas Lirio (00:58.67) So here's a funny story on Saturday. I was working in the coffee shop Shout out to Cooper swung by and hung out with me. That's cool. Yeah But I asked because I'm obnoxious about stuff like this. I asked everyone that I thought would say no, looks good They look good. I said look my friend. He says they look ridiculous. Well, he's kind of like an old dad hobo and he doesn't know what do you guys think then this husband and wife come in every Saturday and they're they're like 30 years old and I asked them And I was like, you know, about half of the Kent Boucher (01:31.298) people take that friend's advice more often. Nicolas Lirio (01:33.998) About I told them about half the people say It doesn't look very good or it's kind of ugly, know, depending how good friends they are with me The other half of people say no, dude It looks fine and that husband looked me dead in the eye said I don't know man. Someone says your clothes look fine. That's probably still an L Thanks, dude Kent Boucher (01:52.097) Yeah There's just no way they look normal. They just don't look normal. Nicolas Lirio (01:57.72) It's not about looking normal, it's about looking okay. It's about looking nice. Kent Boucher (02:02.336) If you just settled on, nope, they're functional, this will work for me. Great. can, I can handle that. got a pair of my, my, pants that I wear to like pheasant hunt. They're they, the crotch blew out on them when I, one time when I went to, Nicolas Lirio (02:16.718) He was at a wedding, was dancing. Kent Boucher (02:18.822) Yes, my pheasant hunting pants. No, I think I was helping my son Jonas with his shoe fell off or something. But anyways, blew the crotch out on him. And I just had my wife, who is an excellent seamstress. I was like, I don't care how it looks, just put some jeans in there and fill it in with a jean patch. And so, yeah, I didn't do it so it nice. Nicolas Lirio (02:40.566) Come in I wasn't the one who commented on their looks you're the one who came in swinging those look so ugly and I was like I just added them so my pockets work my pockets were totally real what Kent Boucher (02:50.454) History always smiles upon my opinion on your fashion choices. Whenever I go through, well, in fact, there's this one shirt Nick has that he, when he showed up to work in it, I'd never seen it before. He first made fun of me before I had it. Like he was preparing the whole way here. I'm going to say something to Ken so he can't say something to me first. You said that Carol and I were here working and you're like, Hey, your shirt looks stupid. So you can't say mine looks stupid. That's how, that's how self-conscious you were. then I recently came across that picture and your shorty shorts. You saw the. Nicolas Lirio (03:25.55) They're great looking. I was wearing them last night. Riley Rozendaal (03:30.335) Jury's still out on that. I would say it looked fine. Those shorts looked fine. Still an L. Kent Boucher (03:35.79) Just chillin' out! Nicolas Lirio (03:39.521) I literally showed up one time. Kent Boucher (03:42.376) You look just fine, but then you like get this little wild hair where you And then you wear it over and over and over again. Nicolas Lirio (03:51.5) If it's not jeans and a t-shirt, it's way out of whack for Ken. Remember? Kent Boucher (03:56.174) Remember his his Han office furniture outfit that he used in pants with his light gray sweatshirt Nicolas Lirio (04:00.782) Like I don't know you guys are desperate for any personality in your wardrobe. Well, no Riley has these guys van yeah Kent Boucher (04:12.942) I hope my personality is better than light tan and light gray. Nicolas Lirio (04:16.43) Sometimes muted colors are what's up. Sometimes they're what's up. Riley Rozendaal (04:21.09) They're in and then they're out. Nicolas Lirio (04:22.624) I'm telling you so anyway, okay, these are the jeans if you're looking on YouTube, but also you can Well, can't I don't know how high the camera goes but if you can't There's a picture on Instagram so when you are listening this there's a picture on Instagram go in there vote in the comments And we'll tally it up and we'll say who's Not a question. They are very functional, but don't let that be biased, but they are very functional anyway, all right, we should actually like Kent Boucher (04:27.182) I don't know, stand up, be proud of them. Kent Boucher (04:42.126) Got a question of functionality. Nicolas Lirio (04:51.566) be productive to human society. Welcome back to the Prairie Farm podcast, Coffee Time Wednesday. I'm your favorite host, Nicholas Lirio. The favorite dog. Family. Get out of here, dog. Your favorite co-host, Kent Boucher. What's up? Favorite co-host to the coast, Riley Rosendahl. Riley Rozendaal (05:13.536) Yeah, yeah, that just happened. Nicolas Lirio (05:16.174) he's coming back. Kent Boucher (05:18.19) He knows Riley's over here and he's not leaving. Riley Rozendaal (05:21.144) Let me relocate him, you guys start. Kent Boucher (05:24.278) All right, so the other day Nick I came across a reel and I sent it to you and We need to ask Riley this too because he's been farming longer than you and I have Because he grew up on a farm I guess you do too but not till you're what like seven or eight? Nicolas Lirio (05:41.314) Yeah, yeah, and he's two years older than me. Yeah, so Kent Boucher (05:45.242) my probably my aforementioned statements to hold true. So so. The real was just showing these different like. Nicolas Lirio (05:48.558) Yeah, I'm probably... and six. Kent Boucher (05:57.112) big mess up problems in the field. yeah. operating equipment. Nicolas Lirio (06:02.254) $20,000 problems. Kent Boucher (06:05.568) No, I wouldn't. Maybe some of our more like an hours problem, right? Like, yeah, or an inconvenient like. That's going to change the that's going to change how the week flows because because of that problem. Yeah, so. Nicolas Lirio (06:13.226) Or you have to call someone to help you. Kent Boucher (06:23.542) I wanted to hear, and I think the text overlaying the video was, there's all this montage of all these in the field problems. It was like, do you try and fix it yourself or call dad? man. And we'll just say call dad or Carol. man. And so I wanted to hear your guys' moments when you were in the field, either broke something, you got, maybe you got stuck, maybe you neglected to do an imp... important thing. I know. And it screwed something up and you could either try and fix the problem yourself and hide that it was ever a problem or you just said, no, I'm tapping. I got to call in the Calvary and I got to fess up and tell Carol or tell your dad or grandpa or whoever. Nicolas Lirio (07:21.518) Okay, I was... Nicolas Lirio (07:27.13) I got stuck in a tractor But that wasn't that big of a deal. So what it was was the two the one time was Nathaniel and I were riding the four-wheeler. I was like 11 and Nathan was probably No Kent Boucher (07:41.102) Wait, is this the golf cart story? you guys had, was it that white four wheeler? Nicolas Lirio (07:45.494) Yeah, it was like a quad. Yeah. Yeah. And we and then I let my brother drive it, which I wasn't supposed to let him drive it unless dad said he could drive like dad was there. I let him drive it and I was sitting on the back and he turned by the pond. We have this tree and then he turned around the tree and then it was like downhill to the pond and he like my weight was on the back and he didn't have enough weight and I wasn't thinking I should lean to help him turn this thing. And we drove it straight into that pond. Like it was like three feet into the pond. You know, it was in the. That sucked. then but. Kent Boucher (08:24.814) Pond. Angry did you fess up or did you go? Yeah? You can pull it out or anything Nicolas Lirio (08:32.202) The four-wheeler just No, no, we didn't have anything else at the time to pull it out. Yeah, you know that golf cart wasn't gonna And I mean I I was 11 so I could have started up a 185 but I wasn't bold enough back then to like you didn't you know, I was like Kent Boucher (08:40.747) The girl! Kent Boucher (08:50.584) Well, I'm sure Carol's around too. He would have seen, right? Nicolas Lirio (08:53.07) I mean he would have seen the four-wheeler, you Riley Rozendaal (08:56.078) sticking out of the park. Kent Boucher (08:56.718) No, mean if you'd went and grabbed a 185, you would have Nicolas Lirio (09:00.098) Yeah, I was like 24 before the first time I started a tractor and moved it somewhere without telling dad first. You know what mean? and then that, but the angriest he ever was was I didn't even. Kent Boucher (09:14.1) wait, did it ruin the four wheeler or did just arrive? Nicolas Lirio (09:16.684) Nope, survived. Yeah, he had to redo the carburetor or something. I don't know. Kent Boucher (09:20.654) Cost him, you know, months worth of labor. Nicolas Lirio (09:24.089) He was pissed wasn't allowed to drive it for like a month The angriest was I needed a bucket for gathering frog and There was like some Stupid chaff in this bucket under our fish under our counter. We keep all our fishing stuff So I dumped that stuff out on the ground well it was like $5,000 worth of seed that him and Kent Boucher (09:35.779) I know this story. Nicolas Lirio (09:51.694) My cousin had picked over the course of like a day and a half through waiting through ditches. cannot remember, but I and I think about that and I want to say it was actually a sedge. It was like a sedge. went somewhere to go get this edge, but I can't remember. Man, he was pissed. I'm upset. Kent Boucher (09:56.808) Wasn't it like prairie smoke or something? Kent Boucher (10:11.042) Could you just sweep it up though or something or did you like throw it in the garbage? Nicolas Lirio (10:16.447) no, I dumped it out outside on the gravel. It was just BLEEEH! Kent Boucher (10:20.095) Yeah Riley Rozendaal (10:20.686) A swift wind picked up and... Riley Rozendaal (10:26.593) Not Nicolas Lirio (10:29.166) What about you, Riley? Riley Rozendaal (10:30.222) I would say my most recent one I can think of was we were harvesting this past fall and I came back to dump a wagon out. It's not really a fault thing, but I waited up. I was like, can I fix this? I got back to the yard and we had an auger running with the PTO shaft, but the PTO shaft had disconnected from the auger. So it was just spinning on the tractor. Kent Boucher (11:02.368) I was like, well... Riley Rozendaal (11:05.196) That was about, took about 10 seconds. I found some pieces and I was like, nope, this ain't happening. So I called dad. Yeah. So it was, it was slow. It was slow cause we were just running the auger, you know, just, fast enough to keep up. So it wasn't like, you know, dangerous or anything like that, but it was just one of the joints had just given up. Nicolas Lirio (11:11.694) So it was just swinging around. Kent Boucher (11:26.09) man, just thought of one. I can't believe I didn't think of this one. This is the day I saved Riley's life. This is when Riley and I chose fix ourselves. Riley Rozendaal (11:41.678) I wasn't sure if we brought that up on the pod yet, but I'll tell it. It was probably my first or second month here. Carol asked me to disc, so I'd caught up on all the orders and stuff like that, and he said, well, if you've got some time, you can check. Kent Boucher (11:49.74) Yeah, I mean, it's pretty. Kent Boucher (12:00.206) Finally realized why he had you doing that. I could not figure it out. I was like, why is he having Riley disc all these these soybean fields? I thought I thought it was all the we get tons of like badger holes and coyotes. Yeah. But I think it was because to bring more weed seed up because we were going to soybean those acres again and just kill out more of the weed pressure. But anyways, go ahead. So. Riley Rozendaal (12:02.979) Yeah. Riley Rozendaal (12:27.904) I was disking out there and I ran into something I'd never run into before, not literally. So I'd been disking all day and I was getting about to the last pass, getting close to the road. And I realized that there was this utility pole in the field, you know, with a high wire connected up going to the highway. And so was, I was doing that last pass and if anybody's done enough field work like that, you're on the last pass and you think, all right, I'm pretty well, I'm pretty well good. Kent Boucher (12:55.274) Got this figured out. Riley Rozendaal (12:57.9) I was humming along and then I remembered that utility pole. I was six inches from hitting it. I thankfully didn't, but I was so, the gang's on the disc, the back gang is wider than the front gang, and I was so close to it. It was on a turn so that I didn't trust just backing out off it, because it was so tight to the pole. Kent Boucher (13:13.314) It was on a turn. Nicolas Lirio (13:25.302) Man, your heart rate must have been so- Riley Rozendaal (13:27.47) First, I was happy that I didn't knock down the power line. Second, I was going to try and back off it and I couldn't really get it done. Kent Boucher (13:37.432) So it was impossible. The way on that turn, the way it worked is you got around it with that front gang and then it, and then you must've like turned a little bit off your original path or you tried turning out of it or something. And it pulled that gang in between the guy wire and the pole. Riley Rozendaal (13:54.318) was very tight and so I hopped out quick and just looked at the disc and realized I could just fold that gang up quick. All I needed was like a 9 16th impact. So quickly I reached for my phone and I called Kent and I said, Kent, I need you now. said, if there's any time, give me that 9 Kent Boucher (14:12.878) Carol was gone for like the morning or afternoon for a while because I think he was in Iowa City or something. Riley Rozendaal (14:21.708) I knew I had a window to fix. Yes. And the window was closed. Kent Boucher (14:24.748) He was gonna drive on that exact path Riley Rozendaal (14:27.54) Drive right past and see me standing there with the tractor with the with the disk around. Yes wrapped around the pile. Kent Boucher (14:34.03) Yeah, yeah, he was awesome. I remember that now. Nicolas Lirio (14:35.238) my god, yeah. Riley Rozendaal (14:37.186) So old Kent did me a favor and he brought out the 916th but then he says, well you better tell Carol. And you know, just so he knows, I'm like, great. So I waited until we got the 916th out there, we got the nuts. Kent Boucher (14:52.492) Well, I think I said that because the obvious it was going to be obvious there was disc marks. Yeah, right. Nicolas Lirio (14:59.617) Which is some of the greatest farming I've ever seen Kent Boucher (15:02.488) This Riley Rozendaal (15:02.754) Yeah, we form edge to edge. And so we got that gang flipped up and then I texted Carol so that when I texted him, he just said, okay, which I took to mean Carol's coming out to make sure everything is sorted. So thankfully by the time he pulled up, we were pulling the tractor away from the power pole and everything was solved. So all I could say was, Kent Boucher (15:34.09) No, he was he was in a pretty good mood. He was. No, he said, got to have every last inch. All right. Nicolas Lirio (15:36.878) and like get real close to that power. Riley Rozendaal (15:41.518) They call me a live wire, dry wire. Kent Boucher (15:44.623) Yeah, high wire. Big farmer's gotta get every last inch. Riley Rozendaal (15:49.512) Well, in my defense, I've never had a power pole appear in the middle of a field. But then again, you got to look out for that stuff. Kent Boucher (15:57.826) see that with people burning. And I was, I don't know if I read it or saw a video where if you do enough damage to a high wire pole, telephone pole, whatever you call them, power pole, they got to, they bill you for replacing the whole pole. And so you pay for the material plus the labor of, and I've never, I've never seen it. Yeah. I've never seen an energy company, send anything short of a small army to go and change one thing. Riley Rozendaal (16:27.138) Yeah Nicolas Lirio (16:27.918) I got a tie-rate against mid-american. just remembered when my wife and I had these big trees in town that were hanging over the the power lines and Called mid-american that house been abandoned for like two years called mid-american. Hey It right away you guys got to come deal with these just a heads up and the lady goes, okay Well, would you like us to remove the branches or just leave them there? I was like what I'd like you to remove them. She's like, Okay. And I was like, you guys aren't going to remove them, are you? No, just a courtesy ask. Courtesy. Kent Boucher (17:02.54) What heck is a- We're just doing a survey to see what people would prefer. Nicolas Lirio (17:09.965) And it took four loads of the car trailer and my truck bed and the car trailer that's how many Kent Boucher (17:18.51) Yeah, but that still saved you thousands. I'd have go down anyway. I know, but it would have cost you a whole lot more if you had to it all cut out of those wires. true. Nicolas Lirio (17:27.864) That's fair, that's fair, that's a good point. Kent Boucher (17:29.966) I was into your original quote coming at $8,000 a tree. Nicolas Lirio (17:35.502) Yeah, that rings a bell. then after they cut it down, you're right. Because then I got a quote for like 4,800 for both trees. And before anybody asks, I had the our city manager. Kent Boucher (17:48.288) I they were the last American chestnut tree. they were American. They just didn't like them there. They just, they just got in the way of our satellite signal. Nicolas Lirio (17:50.734) Okay Nicolas Lirio (17:55.013) Well, the branches were a weird. Nicolas Lirio (17:59.982) I could not see out the window in those cornfields. I couldn't see the cornfields. I need to able to see them. Kent Boucher (18:06.774) No, they dead trees, weren't they? Yeah, the holes or something. Nicolas Lirio (18:09.87) The city manager at the time was a barbarist. And the dude was like, you know, kind of one of those like, whales. Kent Boucher (18:13.71) Yeah, you got a new one. Kent Boucher (18:19.342) I thought the city told you you had to get him cut Nicolas Lirio (18:22.1) No, the no, had to get them cut away from the power line. But then when I had someone actually come and look at him and all the weight was directly over our house, he was like, I wouldn't hang out in your house during a storm. I was like, OK, so literally for a couple of months, I would go to someone else's house during storms because we had a tiny little house and they were. Kent Boucher (18:42.794) Also, I had running water. Nicolas Lirio (18:44.974) Well, and it was actually it was a little I don't know I'm bummed because we had four trees and all of them had to come down and that two of them were old old old growth trees I mean they one of them was basically dead, but you know I hate that and so we've been looking okay We're at least gonna put two more in that yard, and so I don't know What do you got? Kent Boucher (19:06.734) Uh, I've told the story before, but when I got stuck out about 35 minutes, 45, if you're driving a truck with a flatbed trailer to haul another tractor to come rescue you, um, I got, you know, I was planting in June. We, was one of our last, our last CRP custom planning jobs. And, um, so it stayed late, you know, until about eight 30 that time of year. And I had. just like two passes left to finish up this big field I was doing. And I worked late and it was like eight o'clock and I'd been like hitting this one spot by this field terrace where the back end of the tractor would do just like this little, just, you know, real brief, like little shimmy, you know, just a little, you know, like, it's a little wet there, but just a little wet spot. Just got one more pass to do. And I should have, I should have been more skeptical of that little wet spot. And, no, this was 2024, 2024. And, I went, I'm just humming along, you know, kind of like Riley saying, you know, you're finishing up, you're like, man, this is just going so great. Look at that sunset. Wow. It's just beautiful. I love doing this, you And, Nicolas Lirio (20:13.077) year. Nicolas Lirio (20:27.916) got a Kent Boucher (20:29.742) I'm just cruising along and all of it's like, you know, just like, it's almost like you like hit a wall, right? You just feel like the tractor just like, know, and I hit the thickest, glupiest mud you've ever seen and instantly was up to the back axles. And so, you know, I'm throwing the, I'm picking up the drill on the back end. I'm putting, you know, doing the rear diff lock on there. And it would just give you enough to like give you a little hope like, okay, we're going to climb out of this. This is it. And then it would just settle back down. Nothing I could do. Not a thing. And it was just getting worse and worse and worse. And finally at about eight 15, I had to call, I had to call Carol and he was not happy. I was not happy. was, and he, and he told me a very valuable, valuable lesson. He's like, look, All the time that you made up for us by staying this late and working, we've lost it all now because we have to bring another tractor out here to yank this thing out of here. and he was right. I, my regret is I was so upset about the whole thing that I didn't take any pictures really. I wish I would have taken a picture of the tractor just cause now it's kind of a funny story, Nicolas Lirio (21:51.054) But if dad saw you taking a picture while you Kent Boucher (21:54.958) Oh man! Yeah, forget that. Nicolas Lirio (21:57.742) I remember one time I was like 11 or 12. I was disking a field and I literally had like one pass left and I was on the other corner of the farm with the 70-10, 70-80 at the time. 70-80. No, it wasn't me. The 70-80 and I literally had one pass left and I drove, I was like. Kent Boucher (22:14.51) That's why it doesn't run anymore. Nicolas Lirio (22:22.99) My cousin's birthday party is gonna be here shortly. I need to get back So I drove the tractor all the way back to the farm. It was like Kent Boucher (22:30.286) With one pass left. Nicolas Lirio (22:32.206) with one pass left and I told dad I was like, yeah, there's one pass left out there. I just figured I would get it later. And he's thinking like, it's going to rain tomorrow or you all these other things. So he, so he was late to the birthday party because I could have easily, it have taken me like two minutes. It wasn't like a big 20 minute thing. was like, Kent Boucher (22:53.962) That's just a young person thing to do. Problem is when you're at that age you think you know everything. Nicolas Lirio (22:56.758) No respect for anybody. Nicolas Lirio (23:01.856) And I was like so tough. was like, yeah, I just got done disking. Don't worry. Kent Boucher (23:05.871) Yeah, just put in a full day. Nicolas Lirio (23:07.982) Like two hours after school or something man, man. All right. Well, can you got a little Kent Boucher (23:14.542) little. Yeah, there's really one major. mean, obviously right now everything going on in Iran is kind of dominating the news, right? But there's this little bit of news that came out in the conservation space and it is that the US Forest Service is going to be real. Their headquarters, their main office, I guess, is going to be relocated. from Washington DC, right, to Salt Lake City, Utah. And Riley and I kind of read up on this a little bit. It's being, I haven't seen like a ton of negative comments on it. Riley brought up some good points. I think I did see maybe that are some positions being eliminated along with this move. Riley Rozendaal (24:12.302) I think at this point it's unclear the exact numbers. From what I saw and my sources, Associated Press, they did an article on it. Some of the jobs are gonna stay in DC and then it looked like the lion's share, like two thirds maybe, was the rough idea of what jobs were gonna be moved out to Salt Lake City. Kent Boucher (24:37.176) So I would imagine that, well, first of all, the reasoning that's being presented for doing this is it's more efficient. Most of the forest management that happens in our country happens out west. Although I don't know if that's entirely true, because the Southeast has a pretty big timber industry. Riley Rozendaal (25:02.07) I believe that actually, I think the article said it was like 85 or 90 % of US Forest Service lands in the Western portion. Kent Boucher (25:09.838) So the land that they manage is up there. Nicolas Lirio (25:12.16) Yeah, because I my guess is think about like BLM ground and stuff like that where they're even even if they're helping Kent Boucher (25:18.766) And are just way bigger. Nicolas Lirio (25:22.036) And less resources per capita in some of those cases. And then but the or less people, I guess, per eight. Kent Boucher (25:30.062) But I mean, you think of like, you know, New England, Carolinas, Alabama, Mississippi, there's a lot of, there's a lot of forest. I guess when I, as I was saying that, was thinking, you know what, I wonder if it, but yeah, it's just way bigger landscape, Washington state, Oregon, huge, huge forest. Nicolas Lirio (25:42.062) All the Smoky Mountains over there. Kent Boucher (25:56.184) Yeah, yeah, absolutely. But yeah, so the idea is that it's more efficient to have the, you know, home base located towards where all that and then plus the main thing I thought of with it is wildfire management, which we just had a podcast with our friend Drew, Drew Dellett. Nicolas Lirio (26:16.224) No, deal. A Sandro. Kent Boucher (26:18.99) still intimidating last name. It's an Italian name. Yeah. Great conversation. He talked about his history with doing some fire suppression in the West with our friend Ray Geroff. And so US Forest Service is involved with that fire risk management as well. And that makes a ton of sense because we've been seeing basically every year for the past 10 years. significant wildfires going on in the western part of our country. Nicolas Lirio (26:50.19) Yeah, do you think that, do you think it's a net gain or a net loss overall? Being further away from Washington or DC obviously has its cons, but being closer to the people who are doing the work obviously has its pros. And then I was seeing it toted as common sense management. They wanted to get back to common sense management, which definitely is like a PR thing, but. could be practical. just like I could probably technically manage hoxynative seeds never being here, but there are so many disadvantages to me not being here at least three or four times a week that, you know, it's, it makes it worth the drive, you know, to be here. And so I see it both sides, but what do you guys think if you had to guess? Kent Boucher (27:38.466) works to not be here, you know, at least five minutes a week, you know, he's like setting us up. Nicolas Lirio (27:44.104) It is a long hour every week having to be here Riley Rozendaal (27:47.956) Showing up at 9 and leaving at 10? It's a hard life. Nicolas Lirio (27:51.982) It's nine to two. Tell me short. I actually my real work schedule is what? 839. Kent Boucher (28:01.294) Here we go. It is. It is. It is. No, no, just go and stop. Nicolas Lirio (28:05.486) Till about two and then I take a break till about five and then it's still about 10. That's kind of and that's where I find them. I get stuck. Kent Boucher (28:14.926) I just find that I work so much harder than the average American. Nicolas Lirio (28:19.374) You know 80-hour weeks to help for the conference conservation just all on my back by myself Kent Boucher (28:28.942) Nick has this very, very severe issue of thinking people think he doesn't work. He has to always throw that in there. Nicolas Lirio (28:39.522) So I'll be like, yeah, guys, I'm going to come in late today. I worked 40 hours Saturday, Sunday. Ken Hall texted the group chat like, there it is again. Kent Boucher (28:48.046) Yeah. Riley Rozendaal (28:49.07) I kind of wonder if sometimes you schedule your late night emails to send on I get like this email like 1 30 in the morning. I'm like Kent Boucher (28:58.124) Yeesh. Well, I think I in the end, I mean, from as it's being presented, here's the here's the real problem, right? Here's the real elephant in the room. I don't trust this administration with conservation stuff. I just don't. We've seen that pattern from early on with the public land sales that were getting pushed through the Boundary Water stuff. giving out more mineral and energy leasing permits than ever before, getting rid of the Endangered Species Act, all these threats. Now, thankfully, a lot of them haven't really come to fruition, but it just makes it very hard to trust this administration when it surrounds things like all the doge cuts that happened to the US Forest Service and NRCS offices and FSA and all that. so I worry that there's more to it than what we're seeing in these few articles that we read. But beyond that lack of trust that I have, it does seem to be something that could be a very common sense efficiency move that yeah, would probably save us some money in the end and maybe help, help with some mitigate some of the losses that come with. with, you know, wildfires and things like that. I imagine the upfront cost is probably going to be pretty heavy with just, it's expensive to relocate people and offices and things like that. you know, having a new facility for everybody and that kind of thing. And sometimes too, during that time of transition, you know, we are not terribly far from fire season right now, you know, a couple months from now that we're going to be in it. so stuff slips through the cracks during transitions too, you know, so it could be, there could be that. then Riley, you brought up a really good point about who relocates, who wants to relocate. Riley Rozendaal (31:08.8) Well, anytime you and this this has happened in the past with BLM too, back during I think it's 2018. BLM was moved out west too. And then during the Biden administration was moved back to the Capitol. think any time you take an entire organization and you say, hey, we're going to we're going to move to the other side of the country, you know, you're going to have organizational laws. You're going to have people who don't want to move people who their entire lives around something. You know, well, Nicolas Lirio (31:39.8) So Trump on his campaign never mentioned this and it's because it wasn't on his radar. It's such a small thing. It shouldn't have it probably shouldn't have been on his radar, you know, as when you're campaigning as a president to not the not the forestry, but the idea of just moving an office that's like such a small thing in the grand scheme of things. So this came from someone's brain. And here I have a hypothesis that it was one of two things. It was either. The USDA department, like it was their idea because it actually is a good idea and it would help a lot. Or it was someone that is really tired of red tape. Man, these guys, they just keep showing up and all these bills we're trying to pass to help mine these places or, you know, get more, more nuclear power plant or whatever they're trying to do. They keep showing up. You know, if they weren't here, if they were across the country, there'd probably be some more gaps for us to get some of this stuff through. it... I... Because it didn't come from Trump's brain. Trump isn't sitting around thinking about... Kent Boucher (32:47.638) Like that's his administration. Nicolas Lirio (32:49.622) Yeah. So so did he did he greenlight whatever. But this idea came from someone's brain. And I'm very curious where where did this conversation start? You can spin it wherever. But it started with someone's brain. And that's who's going to be the biggest winner in the end if it ends up going their way. So if it really was the USDA saying that, hey, we want to move this this department from Washington, D.C. to where the forests actually are. That makes sense. And I can see that making sense. But I don't know where it started. Riley Rozendaal (33:18.23) Well, the thing is, time is going to tell the story. If they do end up moving the Forest Service out to Utah and end up building a $200 million headquarters and stuff like that, just follow the money. If you follow the money, you're going to find out. Sure, some landowners may have a closer relationship with the Forest Service, but there's probably going to be some unintended consequences. Yeah. Kent Boucher (33:45.762) Yeah, maybe some intended ones too. Yeah. Riley Rozendaal (33:48.226) Yeah, Nicolas Lirio (33:49.51) That's real. Well, friends, we actually are on a weather crunch right now, and I'm sorry about this, but Ken's got to get to burn in. And so we are going to boogie. Do not forget we have a form. It's actually up right now, but we're making some tweaks to it. So if you decide to visit it, that's great. But just know there are some changes coming to it because it looks awesome. And we want to. But we we have some changes on how how it's operated on the back end. So that's why I haven't pushed it more on social media. But if you want to go there, there's a couple people who already posted before I even publicized it or posted it anywhere that already it already got some posts. So we're excited about that right now is the perfect time to do some seed seeding. So if you're looking at that, this is the place to be. Yeah, until then. Well, we'll talk to you again next time. Kent Boucher (34:40.27) It's cold back here.